Well I think there is talent on this team. At least that's what many thought of his recruits. But it all comes down to talent, desire and coaching. Don't know what the problem is with this team, but hopefully it's only a desire to win. That's fixable. They just need to do it in a hurry!
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Wessler: Nothing good about Bradleys loss...
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Well I think there is talent on this team. At least that's what many thought of his recruits. But it all comes down to talent, desire and coaching. Don't know what the problem is with this team, but hopefully it's only a desire to win. That's fixable. They just need to do it in a hurry!
Well, I really don't care about the rest of the Valley since right now I'm most concerned about BU getting back on track. Tuesday night at W. Carolina will be a VERY important test for us.
BradleyBrave
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Agreed that the NBA thing means nothing really. But I think you missed about a decade of BU hoops if you think it's JL hands down, because it isn't. One of the gripes with Mo (and there were many) was that we weren't fully utilizing a lot of talent that we had. Did you even watch BU closely back then?
But if it was JL 'hands down', why isn't our record better?
Well, Utah is not that great again this year, and Jackson St. is only slightly better than EIU. Those are two must wins right there!
Nothing good about Bradley's loss?
We built up EIU's confidence. Maybe they win their conference because of it. You get where I'm going....
Somehow we make the tournament too. We're both low seeds but we're higher for how we've played since, both Cinderellas so to speak and pull off a few upsets along the way and meet again. The good thing about the loss, we should know how to beat their complex offense now
We built up EIU's confidence. Maybe they win their conference because of it. You get where I'm going....
Somehow we make the tournament too. We're both low seeds but we're higher for how we've played since, both Cinderellas so to speak and pull off a few upsets along the way and meet again. The good thing about the loss, we should know how to beat their complex offense now
JD
Sammy is not healthy. IMO even when healthy, he is not as talented as the other elite PG's here at BU (Les Manuel Ruffin Dye) He is good, just not elite.
The other guys I disagree with. How many shots does egolf have to miss.
And lets say you are right on him...Then we still have no center, which is why he is out of position.
This is a never ending battle.
But seriously. How many games in the 90's did you see? I don't think JL is a bad recruiter. I don't think Mo was a bad recruiter....
But to say its "JL" hands down...I say..Count all conference players....Then see where you get. Its way comparable.
AND the top two players since 1993 to wear a BU uniform were Parker and Granger. Thats the reason they are playing for millions of dollars.
BradleyBrave
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Agree here. Love Sammy, but people forget how good Rob Dye was. He'd have scored 20 PPG had he been given the offensive freedom that JL gives his players. People also forget how a very bad ankle sprain ruined his senior year, and BU's entire '99-'00 season.
As far as overall talent is concerned, JL is a guy who likes to score points. Heck, part of the reason he was hired was because we needed to pay more attention to the offensive part of the game (see the transcript of his opening presser). Up until the past couple of seasons, scoring points has never been a problem for JL-coached teams. I don't think his system or his philosophies have really changed, but the players have. That would indicate that the quality of players on the floor has gone down, especially from an offensive skills standpoint.
Im sorry I sort of forgot to complete this thought...
Our centers thus are not talented which is why I made the comment in the first place
AZ BU Fan
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Mo had a stretch of a couple years 1999-2001 when he brought in some poor players, both athletically and academically/morally and it cost him big time since there was a limit on how many scholarships a school could offer in a given year. If I spent the time looking at rosters, I think he lost 5-6 players due to grades/off court behavior in a two year stretch over and above normal graduation rates. BU played short handed for a couple of years, even into the start of the JL era.
To give Mo credit, in his last year-two he signed/brought in some good talent like Faulknor, and some that left when JL replaced JM...Granger, Tisby, Tucker....
I do not buy into conspiracy theories re MVC pre/post season recognition awards, BU players have been absent in many of the categories vs other MVC Teams the past couple of years.
To give Mo credit, in his last year-two he signed/brought in some good talent like Faulknor, and some that left when JL replaced JM...Granger, Tisby, Tucker....
I do not buy into conspiracy theories re MVC pre/post season recognition awards, BU players have been absent in many of the categories vs other MVC Teams the past couple of years.
I don't actually believe it's hands-down JL, but I was responding to Wily who says it's hands down in favor of MO. I don't think it's hands down either way. But I'll definitely give the nod to JL.
wily coyote said:
Molinari: Billy Wright, Deon Jackson, Rob Dye, Danny Granger, Anthony Parker, Ed Cage, Phillip Gilbert(cant remember if MO recruited him or Les), Joah Tucker, Akinkule, Zobrist, Curtis Stuckey, etc.
Les: Daniel Ruffin, Jeremy Crouch, Zach Andrews, Boogie, Sam Maniscalco, Taylor Brown, POB, Will Franklin, Cellus(but not really, because he transfered from Iowa/SWIC so im not sure if you can count that as recruiting him and "getting him")
You guys be the judge, alot of you have followed Bradley Basketball longer than I have been alive. These are players from my lifetime
Which one got the most out of his players? I would say Mo wins this argument HANDS DOWN. The one stat that wins it for MO, IMO, is a conference championship. A Jim Les coached team has never finished higher than 4th in the league. They have almost identical records at this point in their careers at Bradley. The main difference being a championship, and I cant find anywhere what MO's Valley record was over that span, but I'm pretty sure it wasnt under .500.
Les: Daniel Ruffin, Jeremy Crouch, Zach Andrews, Boogie, Sam Maniscalco, Taylor Brown, POB, Will Franklin, Cellus(but not really, because he transfered from Iowa/SWIC so im not sure if you can count that as recruiting him and "getting him")
You guys be the judge, alot of you have followed Bradley Basketball longer than I have been alive. These are players from my lifetime
Which one got the most out of his players? I would say Mo wins this argument HANDS DOWN. The one stat that wins it for MO, IMO, is a conference championship. A Jim Les coached team has never finished higher than 4th in the league. They have almost identical records at this point in their careers at Bradley. The main difference being a championship, and I cant find anywhere what MO's Valley record was over that span, but I'm pretty sure it wasnt under .500.
BradleyBrave
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Back to the old debate... When did MO win an NCAA tournament game while at BU:?:
First Sweet 16 in 50 years for us. Advantage most decidedly JL:!:
Yes there are a lot of similarities record wise between the two coaches. This is why I believe that BU must look inward to discover what they can do to improve themselves. The one constant is the BU institution which IMO is the root cause of the problem and in which I am afraid will continue to be the root problem as long as a certain person is where they presently are at this time.
BradleyBrave
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By that logic, Jim Les is better than Dick Versace. That's laughable.
Two games don't make a career unfortunately. JL has had some great wins no doubt, but also some awful losses. People also forget some great wins that Coach Mo had. I don't get why people feel the need to throw that regime under the bus, especially people who didn't even watch BU play back then. While JL took us to a place that the Mo regime never got to, the Mo regime went places that JL has never come close to as well.
Agree on all accounts here. If JL goes 9-20 as Mo did in '02 I suspect the result will be the same. Though I don't see anyway that happens, JL always has his team at least more competitive than that. To me that's why Mo got let go. Not because he didn't have success. But because at the time there wasn't much of anything to be hopeful for.
As you know, the comparison was only JL to MO not JL to other coaches in BU history. I also feel that people discount JL's 2 wins in the NCAA's. I like MO and feel that he did a lot to bring the program out of the ashes. However, MO was not a coach to take us higher than what he did. --I am not saying that JL is that coach, but I believe that there are a lot of people out there who give MO a lot more credit than he is due.