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Why not/ starting five now!!!!

i like and agree with everything you said. going off of obviously pure speculation, i think we might be starting collins from the start. he has experience with juco basketball, he's supposedly quick for a big guy, athletic, he's coming off of a broken foot injury that i think hurt his juco stats, AND why wouldn't we want a big guy to win the tip and get us off to a powerful start? it just seems like as long as he's pretty good, we'll start him. everything's up in the air though.

i'm unsure about salley and collins both starting because they are both post players and we are REALLY deep in the guard position. i think if we started them both, we'd be changing our offensive strategy quite a bit. salley does shoot jumpers and supposedly collins can too. there are so many options right now. this is why i can't wait for fall!
 
romar said:
Just curious - after last years showing with a basically undermanned team, does anyone else view the combination of returning experience, JUCO's and talented Freshman making this team a top 25 caliber team?

I'll take competing for the top of the MVC first, but the way this team is coming together, it seems to me JL is trying to build a unit similar to those they played against at Memphis (NCAA's) and Mississippi St. (NIT). Fast, good shooting, attacking guards with long, lean, athletic bigs and an aggressive defense. I'm not sure if it's just me, but the future is sure looking pretty bright!
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I agree with you that the future looks very bright especially in the next couple of years. This is a very talented team that JL has put together. Depth is the now the key... We have it and we also have a nice blend of young as well as experienced players.
 
audacious_aficionado said:
i like and agree with everything you said. going off of obviously pure speculation, i think we might be starting collins from the start. he has experience with juco basketball, he's supposedly quick for a big guy, athletic, he's coming off of a broken foot injury that i think hurt his juco stats, AND why wouldn't we want a big guy to win the tip and get us off to a powerful start? it just seems like as long as he's pretty good, we'll start him. everything's up in the air though.

i'm unsure about salley and collins both starting because they are both post players and we are REALLY deep in the guard position. i think if we started them both, we'd be changing our offensive strategy quite a bit. salley does shoot jumpers and supposedly collins can too. there are so many options right now. this is why i can't wait for fall!
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I love Collins potential, key word potential, his stats were not much better than Salley's except in blocks in Juco against much lesser competition. Salley has a year of experience with the team on Collins and has played against D1 Talent. I think your incorrect that Collins will be the starter, at least from the get go.
 
Remember on the 4 guard line-up.......one of David Collins strong points is his passing.......toss it down low and right back out for an open 3! :-o :D
 
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romar said:
Just curious - after last years showing with a basically undermanned team, does anyone else view the combination of returning experience, JUCO's and talented Freshman making this team a top 25 caliber team?

I'll take competing for the top of the MVC first, but the way this team is coming together, it seems to me JL is trying to build a unit similar to those they played against at Memphis (NCAA's) and Mississippi St. (NIT). Fast, good shooting, attacking guards with long, lean, athletic bigs and an aggressive defense. I'm not sure if it's just me, but the future is sure looking pretty bright!
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If this team gels I see us ranked in the Top 15 by mid-Feb.! :-o :D
 
I do not see anyone redshirting unless do to injury; this is a very deep team so the amount of minutes will go down for some which will help at the end of the season; I also think Collins will start at center as that is what he is being brought in for.
 
real fan said:
I do not see anyone redshirting unless do to injury; this is a very deep team so the amount of minutes will go down for some which will help at the end of the season; I also think Collins will start at center as that is what he is being brought in for.
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Agreed..he's obviously being brought in for the center position but not necassarily to start. His play, as with any player, will dictate that.

With that said it really doesn't matter, starting or not.....just give us good productive minutes when you're in.

Boy practice would be fun to watch. AT and DC down low.....WE and MS at the 4......hmmmmm new thread idea. :idea:
 
How much will Warren's development/playing time will be affected by all the new players? At the end of the year I was really excited about what he could do next season, but I could see his minutes stayeng the same or even going down.
 
Rusty 54 said:
How much will Warren's development/playing time will be affected by all the new players? At the end of the year I was really excited about what he could do next season, but I could see his minutes stayeng the same or even going down.
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None....he'll be practicing against stiff competition. That will help him. It tends to bring out the best in guys like AW. Look for AW to have a solid Soph. campaign.
 
i'd like to think he'll have a great year but i think the coaches are gonna be challenged to play all these guards they have.

ruff, crouch, fears, cole-scott, brown, warren, maniscalco, lavin, phillips!!!

he'll definitely play but there will be 3 guys competing for 6th man. maybe even 4 if williams comes here.
 
audacious_aficionado said:
i'd like to think he'll have a great year but i think the coaches are gonna be challenged to play all these guards they have.

ruff, crouch, fears, cole-scott, brown, warren, maniscalco, lavin, phillips!!!

he'll definitely play but there will be 3 guys competing for 6th man. maybe even 4 if williams comes here.
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I really like Lavin, I don't know Phillips, but you can't throw them into to many discussions when talking about playing time... They're practice players.
 
ok. that's true.

i would really like to see warren get a lot of pt this year. he's a great player for his age and i think we need to invest in him as much as possible. we definitely should play the best players but i actually think he might be as good or better than brown or cole-scott. he'll show what he's got early on. i hope he plays a lot but it's harder now that we have several guards to fill up less spots.

i think a lot of us bradley fans are getting too caught up in the 4 guard offense. it's not what we want! we have a center who's a junior. we have a good power forward and we have a back up in singh. i think three guards max this year.
 
audacious_aficionado said:
ok. that's true.

i would really like to see warren get a lot of pt this year. he's a great player for his age and i think we need to invest in him as much as possible. we definitely should play the best players but i actually think he might be as good or better than brown or cole-scott. he'll show what he's got early on. i hope he plays a lot but it's harder now that we have several guards to fill up less spots.

i think a lot of us bradley fans are getting too caught up in the 4 guard offense. it's not what we want! we have a center who's a junior. we have a good power forward and we have a back up in singh. i think three guards max this year.
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I agree.....only use the 4 guard offense to mix things up at times and for matchups.
 
shaunguth said:
audacious_aficionado said:
ok. that's true.

i would really like to see warren get a lot of pt this year. he's a great player for his age and i think we need to invest in him as much as possible. we definitely should play the best players but i actually think he might be as good or better than brown or cole-scott. he'll show what he's got early on. i hope he plays a lot but it's harder now that we have several guards to fill up less spots.

i think a lot of us bradley fans are getting too caught up in the 4 guard offense. it's not what we want! we have a center who's a junior. we have a good power forward and we have a back up in singh. i think three guards max this year.
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I agree.....only use the 4 guard offense to mix things up at times and for matchups.
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I lot of it depends on the Freshman, if even one of them is not ready to contribute and SS does improve by leaps and bounds the 4 guard offense will be a common sight (assuming no more recruits). If we only have 3 Big Guys you just can't alwasy run a 3 guard 2 Big Man offense, especially in a up tempo game like we play, with our two elder bigs used to only playing 20 min. a game, it just isn't logistically feasible. I understand the arguement against a 4 guard but I don't think we can get away from it that easily, especially not as effective as it was, and now we have better guard play(albeit opinion). I think we'll se more 3 guard than we did last year, but don't be surprised when 4 are on the floor. What I don't expect to see though is the 5 guard we ran towards the end of last season :wink:
 
As far as PT those things usually have a way of working themself out. The players play actually decides it...and thats a good thing.

Again...4 guard or a more traditional lineup it doesn't matter and that TOO will work itself out. OPTIONS.

I trust the coaching staff and they have shown that they are very adaptable and flexible.

One thing for sure we will run. With the depth we can do the old CU 10 player rotation and keep guys fresh.
 
the deepness of our team is great but i doubt ruffin will have less than 32 minutes per game. it does help us with big man options and will keep them fresh. also, i could see our shooting guards being replaced quite a bit to produce match up problems and to see who's hot that particular night.

i also agree that we might see some four guard offense again but it won't be our only option. if that seems to be working against most teams we will do it but against legit high major teams, we will need multiple bigs out throughout the game.
 
dogsrus said:
As far as PT those things usually have a way of working themself out. The players play actually decides it...and thats a good thing.

Again...4 guard or a more traditional lineup it doesn't matter and that TOO will work itself out. OPTIONS.

I trust the coaching staff and they have shown that they are very adaptable and flexible.

One thing for sure we will run. With the depth we can do the old CU 10 player rotation and keep guys fresh.
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I agree with Dogs - the determining factor of playing time will be how the guys practice.

The "4 guard" offense everyone is referring to isn't based on 4 guards so to speak - it would be better labeled a "spread offense" with 4 perimeter players and a low post.

It really doesn't matter whether they play 4 traditional guards (or 3/1, or 2/2 - guards to forwards). What matters is that the 4 non-centers are capable of spot up shooting or penetrating and finishing. At 6'6" Ray Brown has more of a forwards body, but will be a "guard" based on his capability to spot up and knock down a 3 or take his defender off the dribble. You might also see someone like Egolf at 6'9" filling one of the "guard" positions in this offense.

The 4-guard is more about spreading the defense, moving the ball and finding the best available shot and less about having four traditional "guards" on the floor.

So basically the players skills and match-ups will determine who is on the floor at any given time. This team should have a ton of scoring punch from any of a number of positions.

If you've watched the Phoenix Suns at all, this is their offense - I wouldn't call Amari Stoudemire a guard, but he doesn't always fill the center role either.
 
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Braves4Life said:
romar said:
Just curious - after last years showing with a basically undermanned team, does anyone else view the combination of returning experience, JUCO's and talented Freshman making this team a top 25 caliber team?

I'll take competing for the top of the MVC first, but the way this team is coming together, it seems to me JL is trying to build a unit similar to those they played against at Memphis (NCAA's) and Mississippi St. (NIT). Fast, good shooting, attacking guards with long, lean, athletic bigs and an aggressive defense. I'm not sure if it's just me, but the future is sure looking pretty bright!
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If this team gels I see us ranked in the Top 15 by mid-Feb.! :-o :D
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What flavor of Kool-Aide are ya drinkin? :lol:
 
The way I see it right now....

Starters
Ruffin
Crouch
Fears
Salley
Collins

First off the bench
Williams
Cole-Scott
Brown
Warren
Egolf

Deep bench
Maniscalco
Singh

Walk-ons
Lavin
Phillips

Redshirt
Thompson

This is a very deep Bradley team! :D
 
Why all the red-shirt talk guys? :roll: There will be no red-shirts....period! JL is not recruiting kids to come in and sit!:wink:
 
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