Future Walk-On
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The Dutch were ranked second in the World for a long time...and then dropped to 4th...so not really a big surprise.
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World Cup fans?
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The Dutch were ranked second in the World for a long time...and then dropped to 4th...so not really a big surprise.
tornado
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Despite a few who predicted that the ratings would continue high even though the US was out...
(these people say American viewers are "hooked on soccer")
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wo...l-stay-strong-2010-06-28?reflink=MW_news_stmp
Things would have been much different had the Americans won last Saturday vs. Ghana...hype and interest would have soared, but instead it is fizzling out despite the continued efforts to hype and promote the games....
.. the ratings for every game since Saturday's US loss have been dropping & are way below 50% of that game...with only Sunday afternoon's drawing a little over 40% of what the US game drew, and none of the other games since are even close...
Netherlands-Slovakia & Paraguay-Japan has very low overnite ratings...
(the US-Ghana game got a 9.9 overnight rating, Argentina-Mexico got 3.9, the next match got 3.3 and every match since has slid further to as low as 1.4)
(to give comparison, cable's "The Deadliest Catch" drew a 3.45!)
Every game since has dropped off even further, although there are still pockets of interest and one "demographic is still way up...
that's the "Out of Home Viewing" - people in bars and restaurants are still asking for the soccer in many places--
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/06/30/out-of-home-boosts-world-cup-reach-by-15-internet-by-20/55872
.... despite the hype, now that the US is out...fans are quickly turning back to their other shows...even tho overall it's been pretty successful given the time difference of the games..
British TV points out that all their other shows zoomed in ratings as the soccer fans turned off the World Cup..
http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2010...er-murders-banks-the-football-free-peak-hour/
http://www.courier-gazette.com/articles/2010/06/30/sports/sports_blogs/blogosaurus/0084.txt
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=131093
(these people say American viewers are "hooked on soccer")
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wo...l-stay-strong-2010-06-28?reflink=MW_news_stmp
Things would have been much different had the Americans won last Saturday vs. Ghana...hype and interest would have soared, but instead it is fizzling out despite the continued efforts to hype and promote the games....
.. the ratings for every game since Saturday's US loss have been dropping & are way below 50% of that game...with only Sunday afternoon's drawing a little over 40% of what the US game drew, and none of the other games since are even close...
Netherlands-Slovakia & Paraguay-Japan has very low overnite ratings...
(the US-Ghana game got a 9.9 overnight rating, Argentina-Mexico got 3.9, the next match got 3.3 and every match since has slid further to as low as 1.4)
(to give comparison, cable's "The Deadliest Catch" drew a 3.45!)
Every game since has dropped off even further, although there are still pockets of interest and one "demographic is still way up...
that's the "Out of Home Viewing" - people in bars and restaurants are still asking for the soccer in many places--
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/06/30/out-of-home-boosts-world-cup-reach-by-15-internet-by-20/55872
.... despite the hype, now that the US is out...fans are quickly turning back to their other shows...even tho overall it's been pretty successful given the time difference of the games..
British TV points out that all their other shows zoomed in ratings as the soccer fans turned off the World Cup..
http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2010...er-murders-banks-the-football-free-peak-hour/
http://www.courier-gazette.com/articles/2010/06/30/sports/sports_blogs/blogosaurus/0084.txt
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=131093
To counter T's opinion http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100701
T we know that how you feel about soccer and that is fine but others do have a different outlook and that should be fine. I believe that the sport follows a certain demographic and regional profile and that this country's demographic profile is shifting towards those that like the sport and follow it. You may not see it in the heartland but in large urban areas and on the coasts regardless of the USA continuing you still hear animated conversations regarding the teams which are left. It maybe that I live in an area in which I can leave my place and walk a few blocks and hear 5 different languages being spoken.
T we know that how you feel about soccer and that is fine but others do have a different outlook and that should be fine. I believe that the sport follows a certain demographic and regional profile and that this country's demographic profile is shifting towards those that like the sport and follow it. You may not see it in the heartland but in large urban areas and on the coasts regardless of the USA continuing you still hear animated conversations regarding the teams which are left. It maybe that I live in an area in which I can leave my place and walk a few blocks and hear 5 different languages being spoken.
tornado
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SFP -- as I have said, I have watched plenty of soccer and like the game and have several kids who have played even up to the high school level and have even coached soccer and travel soccer over the past 12 years....I just don't like certain aspects of the international game...
That said...as I read your link it says soccer is "ready to capture" our attention...but also seems to concede it has NOT yet...and some of the annoyances mentioned in this thread are the reason why..
That said...as I read your link it says soccer is "ready to capture" our attention...but also seems to concede it has NOT yet...and some of the annoyances mentioned in this thread are the reason why..
ChewaBrave
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Unfortunately, I am going to miss both games tomorrow - uggg. Time zones are lame. Heres hoping for a Ghana victory!
Brazil did unwind just enough to allow the Dutch team to win. I also thought the ref was a bit harsher on Brazil then the Dutch. I usually pull for the Dutch team but there was something in their attitude and diving that will have me pulling for the winner of the Ghana/Uruguay game.
I also thought the Brazilian team was better but sometime like in all sports the best team does not win. You have to give the Dutch credit for sticking to their game plan.
I also thought the Brazilian team was better but sometime like in all sports the best team does not win. You have to give the Dutch credit for sticking to their game plan.
WOW! This Ghana-Uruguay game is unreal! Ghana gets a free kick in extra time which will clearly be the last kick and an Uruguay defender stops a goal by using his arm. Gets a Red card and sets up a Ghana free kick that if made would end the game. And the Ghanan MISSES it. PK's now!
The Ghana/Uruguay game was a classic compared to the Brazil/Netherlands one! I also thought that the ending was justified because that free kick that resulted in the Suarez handball should never have been called. What a phantom call there by the sideline ref???? Ghana had their chance and totally blew it. The best game so far of the WC in my opinion.
I hope Uruguay beat the Dutch. All I saw from the Dutch squad today was a bunch of dives. I have zero respect for that behavior. In the past I have pulled for the Dutch squad because of their style but the game against Brazil just made me sick.
I hope Uruguay beat the Dutch. All I saw from the Dutch squad today was a bunch of dives. I have zero respect for that behavior. In the past I have pulled for the Dutch squad because of their style but the game against Brazil just made me sick.
Future Walk-On
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It wasn'tttttttt just a Dutch player!
Arjen Robben is my all time favorite player.
Yes I do put up with the dives and excessive leg grabbing.....
tornado
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but even more ludicrous results when you consider the players on Uruguay willfully, intentionally, and flagrantly violate the basic rules by using their hands to prevent a goal, then their acts actually end up winning the game for their team. They are essentially national heroes because of cheating at the right time.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/07/world-cup-goal-neuer-football
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/07/world-cup-goal-neuer-football
Braves4Life
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Germany is proving that (just like college basketball) it isn't always about individual talent but rather teamwork and defense. Argentina's defense and team awareness is just HORRIBLE today!
Future Walk-On
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This is ridiculous......
This team is rolling.
This team is rolling.
ChewaBrave
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A great few games there, stretching from Ghana/Uruguay to Spain/Paraguay. I Although the spanish game didn't have all that many scoring opportunities, the style and defense played by paraguay was impressive. Germany/Spain should be a lot of fun.
I'm not even going to argue with you on this. There was no cheating. The rules are set and Ghana had their chance and choked. Spin this anyway you like but ask any person who has played the sport and they will say they would have done the same thing. Also there would have not been the free kick if the phantom foul was not called. Justice is what I call the play!
Now onto Germany. What a TEAM! Once they got the first goal there was no stopping them. Their D was perfect and their counter attacks brilliant. I'm also not sure what Diego was thinking. I'm betting Spain will play an extra guy in the mid-field with David Villa as the lone forward. Against Germany you have to control the mid-field because if not they will dominate. Their last meeting was for the European Cup and Spain won 1-0. This is a different German team with a ton of confidence. Should be a great game to watch.
Also the ref for the Paraguay/Spain game was horrendous. Where do they get these guys? He was way over his head and this was not the first game he was terrible.
tornado
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The competition is great, but tell me what world sporting event has ever consistently had such horrible officiating and also such complaints about the calls...
here's yet another writer echoing those feelings...
"...as a recent example of inadequate and inconsistent officiating..
..a Paraguayan player was given a yellow card after he fouled his Spanish
opponent during a goal opportunity in the box. Yes, the referee did award the
penalty kick, but he gave the defender a yellow card even though it probably
should have been red. And then the referee called back Spain's penalty kick
for encroachment - a penalty they scored on - but everyone, everywhere on
every penalty kick encroaches. I've not seen a penalty kick called back for
encroachment in 25 years. It's a no-call.
And then on the ensuing re-kick, the same referee completely missed the
fact that Spain's Cesc Fabregas was pulled down by the Paraguayan
goalkeeper. It was clear to me the ref completely lost his head.."
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/jul/03/marsh-world-cup-refs-not-good-enough/
it has been roughly 50-50 as to who has determined the winners of the matches..
50% the teams, and 50% the refs.....
Personally, as I have said many times, I like the games and will be watching anyway...but I have thought and said for years that the governing body needs to find ways to clean up the cheating, the faking of injuries, the multiple times a hand ball is missed and results in a goal, the fouls that are missed and non-fouls that are called....
Basketball went from one ref to two refs, and now to three refs and has somewhat solved the problem...
many sports will use replay, others have changed their rules - even major changes to rules (ice hockey), and some simply stiffen the rules they already have and start calling contact as a foul which it is - despite the refs allowing the game to become violent over the past couple decades due to their no-calls.
soccer should take a cue from the other sports........
http://www.lusakatimes.com/?p=27336
here's yet another writer echoing those feelings...
"...as a recent example of inadequate and inconsistent officiating..
..a Paraguayan player was given a yellow card after he fouled his Spanish
opponent during a goal opportunity in the box. Yes, the referee did award the
penalty kick, but he gave the defender a yellow card even though it probably
should have been red. And then the referee called back Spain's penalty kick
for encroachment - a penalty they scored on - but everyone, everywhere on
every penalty kick encroaches. I've not seen a penalty kick called back for
encroachment in 25 years. It's a no-call.
And then on the ensuing re-kick, the same referee completely missed the
fact that Spain's Cesc Fabregas was pulled down by the Paraguayan
goalkeeper. It was clear to me the ref completely lost his head.."
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/jul/03/marsh-world-cup-refs-not-good-enough/
it has been roughly 50-50 as to who has determined the winners of the matches..
50% the teams, and 50% the refs.....
Personally, as I have said many times, I like the games and will be watching anyway...but I have thought and said for years that the governing body needs to find ways to clean up the cheating, the faking of injuries, the multiple times a hand ball is missed and results in a goal, the fouls that are missed and non-fouls that are called....
Basketball went from one ref to two refs, and now to three refs and has somewhat solved the problem...
many sports will use replay, others have changed their rules - even major changes to rules (ice hockey), and some simply stiffen the rules they already have and start calling contact as a foul which it is - despite the refs allowing the game to become violent over the past couple decades due to their no-calls.
soccer should take a cue from the other sports........
http://www.lusakatimes.com/?p=27336
The reffing has been horrible overall. One of the reasons is because they use a pool of refs that represents the UN and not a pool of refs who are truly tested with experience working games with leagues at the top level. The Guatemala ref for the Spain/Paraguay game was way over his head and should not be doing WC games. Other refs are just not in physical condition to keep up with the play and are to far away to make a call. It will be interesting to see if FIFA will change their ways on this subject. I will not even go into flopping and diving because to me that is not part of the sport. Even FIFA finds that act deplorable but do not have the guts to enact the technology or teeth after the games to rid itself of this travesty.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5351975&categoryid=2378529
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5351975&categoryid=2378529