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Zone!!! Zone!! Zone!!!!

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chitown fanatic

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If Jim plays one possession in the 2nd half in a man to man against this team, he really will have done this team a disservice. We should play ZONE until they figure it out. MORE ZONE D@mnit!!!
 
'm glad we got the W, but I've lost a lot of trust in Jim. He just doesn't seem to know how to defend an obviously poor offensive team. Hint: See Valpo game. I am also now convinced that TCS is a bust and Salley is flat out awful.

I also hope Ruffin and Wilson are not hurt
 
chitown fanatic said:
I guess Jim is on another planet...we'll just play man, wear down and lose at the end.
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I agree with the zone, but they way we played with a little man then zone really caught them off guard and I feel was a huge advantage and kept them on their toes.

What a gutsy, gutsy win! :mrgreen:
 
Chuck Buescher just commented that he thought our zone was really good tonight; I like to see us switching up our defenses multiple times during the game just to confuse the offense of the other team.
 
chitown fanatic said:
'm glad we got the W, but I've lost a lot of trust in Jim.
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I haven't said this in a while, but I have some issues with the coaching decisions lately.

First thing - Salley needs minutes, but about half of what he's getting now. And I am not just going to grandstand for Collins. Singh gives you just as much as Salley, and heck, Austin is certainly more capable offensively than Salley. Reggie Hall wasn't even this offensively inept. Whatever Salley gives us defensively is offset by his offensive ineptitude. Absolutely inept. He looks like he's never touched a ball before. And his defense has shown me nothing to say he has any type of presence. I was worried about too much depth going into this year. 10 games in, we still have those issues. Jim isn't playing the right guys together at the right times yet.

Second thing - What is the problem with the zone? I know we watched the Valpo tape, otherwise we wouldn't have played so much zone in the 2nd half. Why did we go away from it in the 2nd half? This needs to be answered, because it nearly cost us the game. It really, really did. Now knowing Ruffin's injury status, it makes even more sense to play more zone, and we didn't.

Third thing - How many times does Ruffin have to drive to basket and throw up an out-of-control shot before Jim decides to give it to someone else in the clutch? Say, an Andrew Warren, who can get off a good shot because of his size? Or maybe JC, who has the ability to draw contact? I mean, Ruffin was injured, and we're still giving it to him? God bless Theron Wilson for going and getting that atrocious shot by Ruffin.

The better team won tonight, no doubt in my mind. But I am afraid the players won this without much help from the staff tonight, which I haven't thought in a long, long time.
 
real fan said:
Chuck Buescher just commented that he thought our zone was really good tonight; I like to see us switching up our defenses multiple times during the game just to confuse the offense of the other team.
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I agree with Coach Buescher's assessment. The Braves worked throughout the week, according the Jim, on the zone. The work paid off, but I like that Jim was not afraid to mix the D on occasion. Its easy to get stagnant and resist change and Jim did not do that.

This was a big win for a young team.
 
TheGreatOne said:
I agree with Coach Buescher's assessment. The Braves worked throughout the week, according the Jim, on the zone. The work paid off, but I like that Jim was not afraid to mix the D on occasion. Its easy to get stagnant and resist change and Jim did not do that.

This was a big win for a young team.
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Jim should have stuck with the zone. Wright St has proven they have no clue against it. Going away from it nearly cost us the game.
 
Maybe with zone, the opposing team can eat too much clock. Whereas a more aggressive man defense can hound the opposing players to hopefully cause a turnover for us. So, he was banking on us causing turnovers or making them take a shot quicker (and missing).
 
ser_solace said:
Maybe with zone, the opposing team can eat too much clock. Whereas a more aggressive man defense can hound the opposing players to hopefully cause a turnover for us. So, he was banking on us causing turnovers or making them take a shot quicker (and missing).
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I believe you are correct. I love a good zone defense. It forces consistently good outside shooting to beat it. However, it does allow the opposing team to eat a lot of clock. Obviously, with BU trailing it was necessary to speed up the game and get the ball back.

I give credit to Bradley for mixing it up and getting the job done tonight.
 
dogsrus said:
Yes...BU needs to do something different. I HATE winning these games.......
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Good stuff DRU- Some people are never happy.. They won- which they have struggled to do on the road.. and the whole idea behind message boards is the old Monday morning QB.. everybody has a better idea how to do it...

Having been on the inside of a college basketball program, I can tell you that teams and coaches often do things that seem confusing to those in the seats.... BUt I assure you they have a method to their madness...
 
Quite simply, the zone goes against the philosophy of his system as our success is predicated on outrunning teams in an effort to get as many possessions as possible.

Teams know that and our going to do everything in their power to limit the number of possessions we get. Playing zone plays right into the opponents hands.

So, if you are JL, you have to go into every game planning on winning the game your way. Obviously, you keep the zone in your pocket.

With the halftime lead, I'm sure Les felt that we could outrun the team in the second half. Unfortunately it didn't work out. Two years ago, I don't even think he switches to zone and we lose.

So I can see Les' approach.
 
Didn't I read in the paper the other day that BU has won 8 of its last 12 TRUE road games? If thats the case.....zone....mano on mano.....whatever, just win baby.
 
Don't know if that's correct or if there is some sort of qualification, but we are only 5-5 over our last 10:

L @ Creighton
L @ Missouri St
W @ ISU
L @ SIU
W @ Evansville
W @ VCU
L@ Mississippi State
L @ UIC
W @ Loyola
W @ Wright

For non-con, its 4-6.

L @ Loyola
L @ Butler
W @ Southern Miss
L @ Tenn Tech
L @ Michigan State
W @ VCU
L @ Mississippi St
L @ UIC
W @ Loyola
W @ Wright

Simply for games "away from home" meaning road or neutral, we are 7-5. . .

W @ ISU
L @ SIU
W @ Evansville
W @ VCU
W vs. UNI (St. Louis)
L vs. SIUC (St. Louis)
L @ Mississippi St
L @ UIC
W vs. Iowa (SPI)
L vs. Vandy (SPI)
W @ Loyola
W @ Wright
 
dogsrus said:
Didn't I read in the paper the other day that BU has won 8 of its last 12 TRUE road games? If thats the case.....zone....mano on mano.....whatever, just win baby.
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I think it was 6 of last 11 Dogs, with this game making it 7 of last 12. Whatever it is, it's getting better.
 
just because our system dictates we run everyone off the floor doesn't mean we can't take a golden opportunity to save our legs a bit and play a defense that is KNOWN to work against an opponent. My whole point to the post is that if you scout a team and find its weakness, then you exploit it until THEY figure out how to stop it. Wright St DIDN'T SCORE A BASKET for over 5 minutes in that zone...and then we inexplicably played man-to-man. Why? Because it's our system to run??? Give me a break. That kind of logic will get you beat when it counts in Feb and March. Why scout? We'll just play our game and whatever happens , happens.
Of course I'm happy we won...but I think about long term much more than one game in December...and so will the committee.
 
squirrel said:
Quite simply, the zone goes against the philosophy of his system as our success is predicated on outrunning teams in an effort to get as many possessions as possible.

Teams know that and our going to do everything in their power to limit the number of possessions we get. Playing zone plays right into the opponents hands.

So, if you are JL, you have to go into every game planning on winning the game your way. Obviously, you keep the zone in your pocket.

With the halftime lead, I'm sure Les felt that we could outrun the team in the second half. Unfortunately it didn't work out. Two years ago, I don't even think he switches to zone and we lose.

So I can see Les' approach.
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How was playing zone against a team that can't play against a zone playing into their hands? If it's 'our way or the highway', why even scout teams or make adjustments? That type of stubborness gets you beat. JL's greatest accomplishment as a coach was adjusting to last year's personnel and completely changing our style of play to fit that personnel. We have different personnel this year, and at times situations dictate we go away from the man-to-man pressure and away from the 4 guard set. If Jim's going away from one of his strengths, which is adjusting to the personnel and situation, then he's taken a step back and we're going to lose ball games because of it. I don't buy this 'our way or the highway' mentality. Not one bit.
 
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