Another candidate has emerged

[Future Walk-On]

maybe im stereotyping...but im thinking he won't be able to keep some of our players here







and Jimmer Fredette is a MORMON from Upstate New York lol not just a kid from NY

 

[Da Coach]

Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone. But the fact is that BYU is one of the few, if not the only D1 school that does specifically target
Mormon kids who are headed out on 2-year missions. Most of their players, though not all, are Mormons.
And it is unlikely that Bradley will be recruiting Mormon kids.
But the point is still valid- Dave Rice has no recruiting connections in the midwest, or in the Chicago area. There are hundreds of assistants at mid-majors (like BYU), and even at high-majors that IMO would not have to spend years developing mid-west recruiting contacts.

 

[Beninator]

Yes because as we know, Kaplan is the be all end all reporter we should really follow :roll:

Kennedy wouldn't be awful by any means, but Rice would be higher on my list...that said, take anything Kaplan says like you would take a discussion with a mobster...

Accept the terms, but always look over your shoulder...

To paraphrase a quote from the move The Godfather, so far, Bradley hasn't made an offer they can't refuse."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8uCOPbH7I

 

[tornado]

I clicked on both the links in this thread -- both are PJS links, so I hope I don't get a bill in the mail... :roll::roll:


In regards to KW's artilce...the very first line is...
"I wouldn’t say the search for a new Bradley men’s basketball coach is dragging."

...well I would, as it's already been going on longer than 90% of the other D-I schools' coaching search, AND by all accounts, at least the first 6 or 7 candidates we have targeted and interviewed have turned BU down.


also ...he labels Dane Fife as.." a candidate with a resume as a successful Division I head coach"

...well if success is defined by a grand total of SIX years of coaching, all at the very bottom end of Division I, and all but one ending within a game of .500 or worse...
His career record of 86-97 all while playing in the horribly weak Summit League and boasting a Strength of Schedule around 300 are not exactly eye-popping.
His 42-58 record outside of the Summit -- even though many (actually MOST) of those non-conference games are still horribly weak opponents like Marygrove, Longwood, Tri-State, Texas Pan American, Rochester, Anderson, NJIT, Manchester, Indiana-East, Madonna College (seriously!), Pursue-North Central, Judson, SIUE, etc....

Fully 35 of those 42 non-conference wins are against cupcakes and non-D-I's that many people have never hard of.


Then since all the coaches he names turned us down, then why does he next say - that logically we should "have confidence that athletics director Michael Cross is on the right track"?


Then ....Kirk says something sure to incite the wrath of all the people who have been angry on the message boards for weeks!!! He says something many have scathed me and blamed me for....
He says..........
"There’s also university president Joanne Glasser’s reputation for
micromanagement. The degree to which that enters into a candidate’s
decision process will vary with the individual. But the perception is out there,
and coaches are talking about it."

OMG -- has he not hurt our chances of getting a good coach?? Come on everyone -- this is exactly what you PRO-PJ STAR-guys were saying just a couple days ago!!


By the way -- Kirk Wessler described Dr. Glasser similarly a couple years ago (May 2008 )...when there was a clash w/ KK

 

[Samd2]

awsome post Tornado

 

[BRADLEY FAN 49]

Anyone who has Sweet 16 coaching experience, be it assistant or head coaching certainly can't hurt.

So let me get this straight. Their head coach is Dave Rose, and this assistant is Dave Rice! That's pretty funny, and I almost thought Rose was a candidate!

We had a coach with sweet 16 coaching experience.

 

[amettrick]

...well if success is defined by a grand total of SIX years of coaching, all at the very bottom end of Division I, and all but one ending within a game of .500 or worse...
His career record of 86-97 all while playing in the horribly weak Summit League and boasting a Strength of Schedule around 300 are not exactly eye-popping.
His 42-58 record outside of the Summit -- even though many (actually MOST) of those non-conference games are still horribly weak opponents like Marygrove, Longwood, Tri-State, Texas Pan American, Rochester, Anderson, NJIT, Manchester, Indiana-East, Madonna College (seriously!), Pursue-North Central, Judson, SIUE, etc....

Fully 35 of those 42 non-conference wins are against cupcakes and non-D-I's that many people have never hard of.

I'm certainly not advocating that BU should hire Fife. I'd prefer they didn't actually. However I think it should be pointed out that 30 years ago Duke hired a head coach with a fairly similar resume to Fife's and it seemed to work out great for them.

Yep, when Duke hired Mike Krzyzewski in 1980, his resume consisted of 1 year as an assistant at Indiana and 5 years as the head coach at Army, where he complied a fairly average record of 73-59 against some pretty weak competition. In his last year there he was just 9-17.

That's remarkably similar to Fife's 2 years as an assitant at Indiana and 6 years as the head coach of IPFW where his record was an admittedly worse 82-97. Of course, its important to remember that Fife was coaching a school that was transitioning to DI which makes it a hell of a lot harder to recruit good players and win.

Now I'm not saying Fife will become anywhere near what Coach K has, that's just not going to happen. My point is simply that it is possible for a great coach to come from a background that doesn't appear to be particularly impressive.

Can you imagine if Bradley hired a coach who went 9-17 in his final year at his previous job?? Everyone would throw a fit!

 

[BU FAMILY]

Good post amettrick - while I certainly understand the comparisons between the two coaches early in their careers, I would personally be very disappointed if we end up with Fife - not because he doesn't deserve the chance somewhere, it's because I don't believe that he fits the description of "great coach" that MC keeps talking about.

 

[tornado]

30 years ago Duke hired a head coach with a fairly similar resume to Fife's and it seemed to work out great for them....

ametrick, this would never work out at Bradley, tho....
because first some in the BU fan base would be incensed right form the start if we went for a low level assistant who had virtually no head coaching experience..

then after Coach K had been at the next level for a couple years and had not had real success...he'd have been forced out...

In five years at Army he was..
11-14
20-8
19-9
14-11
9-17

Then in his first 3 at Duke he went...
17-13
10-17
11-17 ...trust me -- at this point Kirk Wessler and Phil Theobald would have been demanding he be fired and we hire a juco head coach out of Missouri...

Can you imagine if Bradley hired a coach who went 9-17 in his final year at his previous job?? Everyone would throw a fit!

The Hoosiers had hired away Krzyzewski's predecessor after Knight went 11-13 at Army in '71

 

[shaunguth]

also ...he labels Dane Fife as.." a candidate with a resume as a successful Division I head coach"

...well if success is defined by a grand total of SIX years of coaching, all at the very bottom end of Division I, and all but one ending within a game of .500 or worse...
His career record of 86-97 all while playing in the horribly weak Summit League and boasting a Strength of Schedule around 300 are not exactly eye-popping.
His 42-58 record outside of the Summit -- even though many (actually MOST) of those non-conference games are still horribly weak opponents like Marygrove, Longwood, Tri-State, Texas Pan American, Rochester, Anderson, NJIT, Manchester, Indiana-East, Madonna College (seriously!), Pursue-North Central, Judson, SIUE, etc....

Fully 35 of those 42 non-conference wins are against cupcakes and non-D-I's that many people have never hard of.

I'm not sure why the PJS has so much love for Fife, but I believe Dave Reynolds said Fife has a "very impressive" record at IPFW.

 

[shaunguth]

Then ....Kirk says something sure to incite the wrath of all the people who have been angry on the message boards for weeks!!! He says something many have scathed me and blamed me for....
He says..........
"There??™s also university president Joanne Glasser??™s reputation for
micromanagement. The degree to which that enters into a candidate??™s
decision process will vary with the individual. But the perception is out there,
and coaches are talking about it."

OMG -- has he not hurt our chances of getting a good coach?? Come on everyone -- this is exactly what you PRO-PJ STAR-guys were saying just a couple days ago!!

Wait for the spin.......

 

[TheAsianSensation]

Fife took over the program when it was a fledgling D-1. In a vacuum, his record is bad, but considering that program had no conference status at the time he took it over, the record is actually pretty good.

 

[TheAsianSensation]

But the point is still valid- Dave Rice has no recruiting connections in the midwest, or in the Chicago area. There are hundreds of assistants at mid-majors (like BYU), and even at high-majors that IMO would not have to spend years developing mid-west recruiting contacts.

This is my big concern as well. It sounds like this is the guy for Xs-and-Os and in-game coaching, but recruiting would be an unknown.

Of course, I'm unfamiliar with the recruiting intricacies at BYU. It's possible he's good at recruiting on a more national stage but I don't want to see the program sacrifice anything as far as local recruiting goes.

 

[shaunguth]

Fife took over the program when it was a fledgling D-1. In a vacuum, his record is bad, but considering that program had no conference status at the time he took it over, the record is actually pretty good.

There's a difference between "pretty good" and "very impressive" or "great".

 

[tornado]

There's a difference between "pretty good" and "very impressive" or "great".

Jim Les' record at Bradley after his first 5 years was far, far, far better than Dane Fife's first 5 years at IPFW..
there is not even the remotest comparison considering Jim made it to the Sweet Sixteen in year four and was landing NBA caliber players by year 2-3....and was beginning a sequence of several 20+ win years...

so how is it we can look at Dane's first five years and say "good" when many in BU's fan base called Jim Les' first five years terrible and wanted him out!!!

 

[Tulsa Brave]

Jim Les' record at Bradley after his first 5 years was far, far, far better than Dane Fife's first 5 years at IPFW..
there is not even the remotest comparison considering Jim made it to the Sweet Sixteen in year four and was landing NBA caliber players by year 2-3....and was beginning a sequence of several 20+ win years...

so how is it we can look at Dane's first five years and say "good" when many in BU's fan base called Jim Les' first five years terrible and wanted him out!!!

IPFW became a D-1 expansion team 9 years ago...Bradley 90+ years ago. Get the difference yet????

 

[bualicebrave]

amettrick, interesting post. i agree that there are probably great asst coaches or mid-level head coaches out there. i also agree that bu fan base should have patience for the new coach - there is probably some rebuilding if we lose any more players (DSE, etc.). that said, i don't believe fife is right for the job. we have to be able to attract a coach that has a better DI record. at the end of the day,i have to believe in mc and bu admin to find the right coach.....and not kw or pjs.

 

[Interested Observer]

I never said Jimmer wasn't Mormon, just not from out west. I heard Jimmer say to either Dan Patrick or Scott Van Pelt that he might have gone to Syracuse if they had offered. He said something similar to what we heard recently, "I would have liked to have had the opportunity to make that decision." Just as not all BYU students are Mormon, not all Mormons go to school in Utah.

Rice spent 11 years at UNLV. Almost double the time he's been at BYU. I'm sure he wasn't recruiting many Mormons there. During his years at UNLV, three of the biggest recruits UNLV had were from the midwest:

Shawn Marion - Juco transfer from Vincennes in Indiana
Keon Clark - Danville, IL
Tyrone Nesby - Cairo, IL

Lookie there, UNLV recruited farily successfully the midwest in the 90s, even Illinois, while Rice was on staff. Now, I don't know if he was the lead recruiter for those guys, but he was a part of it.

Also, the guy who went for a double-double the last time we played and lost to UNLV, Odartey Blankson, was from Chicago by way of Marquette and was playing in Europe.

Rice was on staff with Charlie Spoonhour at UNLV. Unless Charlie lost all his contacts in the midwest when he crossed the Rockies, I think there could still some connections there.

Regarding keeping kids after a coaching change, Rice was an assistant for three head coaches and four interim head coaches while at UNLV. Leads me to believe he knows how to keep a team together during a coaching change. He was also the coach in charge while current BYU head coach, Dave Rose, took medical leave to battle pancreatic cancer.

He's been in the business after graduating from UNLV and playing with Larry Johnson, Stacey Augmon and Greg Anthony. He's as credentialed for a head coaching job as any other assistant coach in the country.

Rice may not be the top candidate or even my top candidate, but we can do much worse than Dave Rice as our next head coach.

 

[eb98brave]

In regards to KW's artilce...the very first line is...
"I wouldn??™t say the search for a new Bradley men??™s basketball coach is dragging."
Then ....Kirk says something sure to incite the wrath of all the people who have been angry on the message boards for weeks!!! He says something many have scathed me and blamed me for....
He says..........
"There??™s also university president Joanne Glasser??™s reputation for
micromanagement. The degree to which that enters into a candidate??™s
decision process will vary with the individual. But the perception is out there,
and coaches are talking about it."

Why do we give KW or the PJStar so much weight? This is why I don't read it or care what they put in it. It seems like many of us on this board know more people at bradley and have better insight than anything they print.

 

[AZ BU Fan]

Then ....Kirk says something sure to incite the wrath of all the people who have been angry on the message boards for weeks!!! He says something many have scathed me and blamed me for....

He says..........
"There??™s also university president Joanne Glasser??™s reputation for
micromanagement. The degree to which that enters into a candidate??™s
decision process will vary with the individual. But the perception is out there,
and coaches are talking about it."

OMG -- has he not hurt our chances of getting a good coach?? Come on everyone -- this is exactly what you PRO-PJ STAR-guys were saying just a couple days ago!!

By the way -- Kirk Wessler described Dr. Glasser similarly a couple years ago (May 2008 )...when there was a clash w/ KK

You are onto something T, Perhaps BU needs to pursue a package deal, a top coaching candidate and his choice for a University President?

Seems the only option for any future success at BU.

But if JL was willing to stay at BU with a totally unacceptable micro managing Prez, and still believed he could be uber successful here, seems another similar quality coaching prospect would be willing to make the same choice....