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Bears 2-0 27-20 over Dallas

You have insinuated that the Bears fans didn't provoke Collins - and that's why they won't show some video that may or may not exist. Seems illogical to me.

Not trying to justify Artest, Collins, or anyone else's actions. Obviously there are better ways for them to react.
 
I will reserve judgement until the video surfaces or until someone else posts video on YouTube or comes forward with testimony. I am sure Collins was provoked by something, though that is never an acceptable excuse for what he did. And I do believe that he might exaggerate what the provokation was to justify his irresponsible actions.
I personally would be surprised if the provokation did include the "N" word.
 
AE Braves Fan said:
You have insinuated that the Bears fans didn't provoke Collins ...
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I have done absolutely NO such thing -- read my post again...
and I generally state things pretty clearly -- and certainly did not insinuate on this one....

I said...
tornado said:
..There's taunting and insults hurled by tens of thousands
of fans non-stop........
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I plainly said tens of thousands of Bears fans likely taunted him...but I have yet to see even a shred of evidence
that there was any taunting or provocation that is anything more than what happens at every major sporting event
and any other Bears game or Packers game.
I stand by my opinion that such taunting is NOT cause for the player to react as Collins did.....
I am willing to revise my opinion if and when any such evidence is presented...
 
Da Coach said:
I will reserve judgement until the video surfaces or until someone else posts video on YouTube or comes forward with testimony. I am sure Collins was provoked by something, though that is never an acceptable excuse for what he did. And I do believe that he might exaggerate what the provokation was to justify his irresponsible actions.
I personally would be surprised if the provokation did include the "N" word.
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Not saying they did or didn't, but why would you be surprised?
 
Nick Collins is now issuing a profuse apology - even admitting that if the player had used a racial slur it still didn't justify
his actions, and the Milwaukee TV station that claimed they had footage of the Bears fans spitting and using racial spurs
has released their video but it shows only that Collins' threw his spit-soaked mouthpiece at the men in the stands.
(video accessable on Youtube)
The fans may have been drunk, and maybe nobody really knows what they said, but as I suspected,
there still isn't a bit of evidence anyone spit or anyone used the "N" word - given that a large number of Bears players are of the same minority race.

As I view the video -- the camera follows Collins off the field and into the tunnel -- and absolutely NOTHING is seen coming from the stands - and the camera has a pretty wide angle of view pointed right at Collins -- so it's not possible to say with 100% certainty but there definitely is NOT spitting seen -- and had there been spitting, then either Collins or one of the other many people in the walk-way would have reacted in some way to fit that scenario! Instead...Collins walks right on by and only after 2-3 more steps, he turns around comes back, looks up and starts shouting, grabbing his mouthpiece, and throws it -- then the camera turns to the Bears fans -- who at that point were already walking away from the rail!

So, Collins reacts to a couple Bears fans leaning over a rail at least 10 to 15 feet away from where he was....why should he even care what someone that far away on the other side of a wall and a rail is saying??


But honestly, read the words of a few whiney Packer players in the first link below -- what a bunch of crybabies...
"The fans are taking it too far," Driver said. "This is a game where we
go out here and we try to have fun playing it. I think the fans are taking it
too far when they start talking about you, your family. They don't know your
family. And they started talking about personal things.
...You get frustrated, especially after you lose a game. And you react. I just
think the fans need to be more respectful to what we do."
http://host.madison.com/sports/colu...cle_b3374118-cc36-11df-9daa-001cc4c002e0.html


oh my...bad, bad fans.........they really should all be like the ones in Green Bay..or Milwaukee...
oh wait, isn't Milwaukee where a fan once heckled Charles Barkley so much, that Barkley punched the guy in the face and broke his nose??
And isn't Milwaukee where fans and even the players have oft beaten up on and slugged their own team's mascots?? :roll:
http://lezgetreal.com/2010/05/charles-barkley-doesnt-want-fat-chicks/
 
Whiney crybabies? Until you've had racial slurs hurled at you, maybe you shouldn't pass judgement.

And Donald Driver is one of the most respected players in the game.He's a whiney crybaby because he gave an honest answer when asked a question?

Tornado, what do you think of the Obama administration? Whiney crybaby.

Milwaukee isn't Green Bay. In fact, Milwaukee is closer to Chicago than Green Bay!!! I could tell you stories about my experiences with Bears Fans when the Bears played in Champaign. But then again, unless I had clear video evidence then you'd probably just call me a whiney crybaby. Get a clue.
 
I suspect maybe you disagree...but thanks for your help anyway.........
basically Collins=Artest -- a hot head who at least, is admitting he was at fault..


It wasn't until the morning after the game that I heard and read about this incident....had Collins walked off the field like all the other 100 players and coaches, and the 62K people, then he wouldn't have embarrassed himself and his team.

now he's more than made a fool of himself and will finish out a good a career with his legacy being defined by this incident a la Ron Artest...

nobody's making Bears fans into Saints -- but I remain convinced that NOT ONE Bears fan did anything that I haven't seen done at 1000 sporting events across the naiton every year -- they hollered jeers at the opponents, and anyone who says they did more -- has the burden of proof to come up with any evidence other than Collins' claim that they spit and called him names. BTW -- not one other Packer player appears to have come forward to corroborate Collins' claims with their own witness.....they support their guy, that's fine, but nobody else saw spitting or heard the worn out mantra-of-a-claim that they uses racial slurs...

in fact when we hear these "racial slur" allegations, we also often come to find that those who make such claims have agendas and even plant folks into crowds to set up such situations at times...
so maybe those weren't real Bear fans -- maybe they were Packer fans who were trying to give Bears fans a really bad name!!! :-o:-o
 
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tornado said:
I suspect maybe you disageee...but thanks for your help anyway.........
basically Collins=Artest -- a hot head who at least, is admitting he was at fault..


It wasn't until the morning after the game that I heard and read about this incident....had Collins walked off the field like all the other 100 players and coaches, and the 62K people, then he wouldn't have embarrassed himself and his team.
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If all the 62K people left, who were the ones in the video. Not completely defending Collins, but fans are the same everywhere when it comes to harrasing opposing players and fans, so please quit trying to make Bear fans out to be saints.
 
I don't see where anyone said Bears fans are saints...
but what was said repeatedly is that they are likely no different than fans at thousands of other pro sporting events....
For some of the press (and fans) to take the Duke-Lacrosse approach and presume guilt upon the fans for something they may not have done -- and for some media outlets to claim they had video of the spitting when didn't-- shows just who are the furthest from saintly action.....
 
tornado said:
I don't see where anyone said Bears fans are saints...
but what was said repeatedly is that they are likely no different than fans at thousands of other pro sporting events....
For some of the press (and fans) to take the Duke-Lacrosse approach and presume guilt upon the fans for something they may not have done -- and for some media outlets to claim they had video of the spitting when didn't-- shows just who are the furthest from saintly action.....
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Glad Bear fans are more saintly than the "press and fans". I know too many.
 
how bout those 3-0 bears!!!!

Jay Cutler holds on to the ball way too long, but at least the Giants are tearing it up on fantasy, Bears fans.
 
I'm sorry, but gotta pipe up here. If anyone looks at that loss and insinuates Cutler they may be the stupidest football fans of all time. I'm sure Collins converted so many plays because the line was just fine.
 
thefish7 said:
I'm sorry, but gotta pipe up here. If anyone looks at that loss and insinuates Cutler they may be the stupidest football fans of all time. I'm sure Collins converted so many plays because the line was just fine.
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Apples and Oranges. Todd Collins started ONE of his 16 seasons in the NFL. Jay Cutler is supposed to be a franchise quarterback. Big difference if you ask me.

I personally agreed almost spot-on with what Chris Collinsworth had to say during the game. (never thought I'd say that) Cutler needed to throw the ball way quicker than he was- not everything is on the offensive line.

Franchise quarterbacks don't put up the stat line Cutler did Sunday night, no exceptions. That was down right hard to watch.
 
Yeah, I'd agree except it's likely that Cutler was holding the ball that long because he was punch drunk. Scuttle says he was concussed around the sack #4 or 5. Makes sense to me because Cutler is usually slow to release when he can't find someone open, but it's not common that he's overlooking 2 or 3 open receivers. Cutler has his faults but he wasn't playing like himself during the 2nd quarter.

Martz even tried the 3-step quick passes to try to get out of the problem but the line was playing so poorly that you'd have two guys coming free (out of four rushing, no blitz) immediately.
 
thefish7 said:
Scuttle says he was concussed around the sack #4 or 5. Makes sense to me because Cutler is usually slow to release when he can't find someone open, but it's not common that he's overlooking 2 or 3 open receivers. Cutler has his faults but he wasn't playing like himself during the 2nd quarter.
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I agree, he was hurt or dazed much early than the end of the 2nd quarter, I was thinking someone spiked his orange juice, him and the entire offensive line. The offense looked like they were playing in slow motion. Even Lovie looked tired. I think one of the announcers said, "this is one weird game" and it was.
 
tornado said:
...now he's more than made a fool of himself and will finish out a good a career with his legacy being defined by this incident a la Ron Artest...
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Nick Collins named to yet another pro bowl... and he seals the Bears/Packers game with an interception. No one remembers the incident earlier in the year. So much for your "Ron Artest" prediction...

In other news...
If Calvin Johnson's touchdown in week 1 had been ruled a catch, which, for all intents, constructions, purposes, and common sense, it was a catch, then...
-The Bears would not have a 1st round bye,
-The Bears would not have won the division,
-The Bears would not have even made the playoffs!! Packers would have won division tiebreaker and the Giants would have beaten the Bears out for the last wild card spot!!

Rules are designed to ensure fairness and uphold the integrity of the game. The application of the rule during the Lions/Bears game did the exact opposite. Watch for the bears_sneak_into_playoffs_rule to be changed in the offseason. The Giants got screwed...
 
If "ifs" and "Buts" were candy and nuts, then every day would be Christmas.

We could play the what-if game with every team, and every game.
2 of the Bears losses were by 3 points, and 1 more was by one touchdown. There are a lot of plays we could play the what-if game with that might have turned those games into wins.

By the way, the Calvin Johnson play that you refer to was not an official catch. It has been looked at a million times, and reviewed by everyone, including the NFL. By the rules of the NFL, it was not a mistake, it was not a gift given to the Bears, it was called correctly.
 
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