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BU 61 vs. UMKC 73

georgethedog said:
That's an average of 5.83, which rounded is an average of finishing 6th. I do not see that improving this year. I am sorry to say that those numbers paint a very clear picture. The Sweet 16 run was great (thanks POB, Cellus, Boogie), but the rest (while it has been fast & exciting at time) the results have been mediocre at best and I am hoping that we get to the point that we are at least mediocre this year. Things better improve fast to get to the level of mediocracy.
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Yes, and even in the Sweet 16 run, we were the 5 seed in the Valley tournament...

Some of us are really starting to question whether this is a staff who can recruit the talent, but not get them coached into position to win conference championships and conference tournaments and what not...


Seems to me the same is starting to be said in Champaign for both their football and basketball programs...especially football as Zook has a history of recruiting players that underachieve in his system...


Could that be the same here?
 
ER3 said:
But according to Les we DID spend nearly all of the time in practice leading into the year working on our defense. Yikes!

Personally, I'm tired of hearing how great this team practices, how great player X looks in practice, how great player Y shoots the three in practice...If you can't perform the same way in game situations, it is meaningless.

In fact, I'm sure the team does look great in practice...how could they not? If BU is the team that is trying to guard BU in our practice drills, I'm sure there are non-stop easy drives to the basket, open looks at 3s, easy backdoors on botched overplays, and soft interior post play all day long.;-)
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Man, you are right on. I had the same thought last night. We must look great in practice because we are playing US!
 
georgethedog said:
Man, you are right on. I had the same thought last night. We must look great in practice because we are playing US!
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I was actually watching the game and started talking to Bussone and Versace on the tv because they kept talking about how great our practices are...

And that was EXACTLY what I said!
 
BUBalum05 said:
Two of the years, Les has had to deal with being with out some of his best players. Forgive me for forgetting the years but Gilbert missed the middle of his Senior year and we went 2-10 in that stretch? Then last year with our Ruff, what was our record when he was out with the hernia surgery? Now we're starting this year without AW and it definitely affects the product we put on the court and ultimately the record. Let's hope AW gets back healthy and then judge the team. Look at the Patriots less Tom Brady, not an 18-1 team anymore, are they?
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All I can say to your post is other teams in the MVC and college basketball also have injuries. The injury excuse, while it is a valid excuse sometimes, is very weak indeed.
 
georgethedog said:
All I can say to your post is other teams in the MVC and college basketball also have injuries. The injury excuse, while it is a valid excuse sometimes, is very weak indeed.
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Who got hurt last year for CU, SIU, or Drake? The year before, did SIU or CU have big injuries? I would say that when Korver (I think) for CU went down a couple years ago and they still did well is an exception rather then the rule.
 
Rusty 54 said:
Who got hurt last year for CU, SIU, or Drake? The year before, did SIU or CU have big injuries? I would say that when Korver (I think) for CU went down a couple years ago and they still did well is an exception rather then the rule.
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I don't want to sound mean but every team has injuries. Last year for example Josh Young was hurt for Drake. And it wasn't Korver that went down, it was Funk. SIU has already lost Evans. ISU has been playing without Rubin and Hill. Last year we missed Dom Johnson for quite a few games.

They call it depth for a reason and it's always been pretty important in college basketball.
 
cpacmel said:
I don't want to sound mean but every team has injuries. Last year for example Josh Young was hurt for Drake. And it wasn't Korver that went down, it was Funk. SIU has already lost Evans. ISU has been playing without Rubin and Hill. Last year we missed Dom Johnson for quite a few games.

They call it depth for a reason and it's always been pretty important in college basketball.
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Well...not to discredit your post because I agree totally about your injury argument, but mentioning Rubin and Hill is pretty laughable in comparison to Young, Funk, Warren, and even Dom Johnson...

I'm not sure Rubin would smell the floor given your current lineup and Hill, I just don't think you could count on him to be consistent...

Otherwise, yes, I do agree :)
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
Well...not to discredit your post because I agree totally about your injury argument, but mentioning Rubin and Hill is pretty laughable in comparison to Young, Funk, Warren, and even Dom Johnson...

I'm not sure Rubin would smell the floor given your current lineup and Hill, I just don't think you could count on him to be consistent...

Otherwise, yes, I do agree :)
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Was simply giving examples of injuries. Point taken on the comparisons. (was going off the top of my head on injuries)

Rubin had a good chance to be the starting PG this season and Hill adds big-time frontcourt depth for the Birds. Hill when healthy, will get a good number of minutes. Brandon Holtz, all 6'4 of him has been putting in some minutes in the frontcourt.

Warren averaged 30 minutes per game last season. I'm not so sure the combination of Rubin and Hill wouldn't be averaging 30 minutes if healthy now. (Last year Rubin averaged 6 minutes per game and Hill averaged 11 minutes per game as a freshman 2 seasons ago)

I don't want to make this about ISU. Injuries happen.
 
cpacmel said:
I don't want to sound mean but every team has injuries. Last year for example Josh Young was hurt for Drake. And it wasn't Korver that went down, it was Funk. SIU has already lost Evans. ISU has been playing without Rubin and Hill. Last year we missed Dom Johnson for quite a few games.

They call it depth for a reason and it's always been pretty important in college basketball.
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You're right, it was Funk. A little before my time following the Valley, I believe. I guess my point was, every team has injuries, but injuries to impact players matter a lot more. Take Eldridge off ISU, Stinnett off CU, Tatum off SIU two years ago, Falker off SIU last year, Coleman of UNI lat year, and so on. Of course depth is important. But some players production is easier to replace. To say that injuries are not a factor is IMO just not correct. Every team has them, but the severity of the injuries (both in terms of the actual injuries and who the injuries are to) plays a big part in how teams do.
 
you guys make my day.....and your avatar fits your assessment of the loss of Andrew Warren....
I have to admit I get a little snicker out of the comparison of losing Alex Rubin or Nick Evans to injury.....to BU losing Andrew Warren to injury!!

Rubin and Evans started a combined ZERO games for their teams last year and scored a total of 28 points between them!

Warren is the top returning scorer BU has and a teamleader as well, the ONLY player on the squad who has MORE than a single season of experience, and one of only two players on the entire squad who has more than 15 starts in his career for BU.

I should say the loss of Warren for Bradley is nowhere near comparable to SIU losing Evans or ISU losing Rubin, and to make such a comparison shows either a little lack of understanding or an intention desire to deceive.

Warren's loss would be more like ISU losing Eldridge, and like Indiana State a few years ago when they lost David Moss when they were 8-0 and ranked #1 in RPI, then subsequently lost their next 11!
 
Rusty 54 said:
You're right, it was Funk. A little before my time following the Valley, I believe. I guess my point was, every team has injuries, but injuries to impact players matter a lot more. Take Eldridge off ISU, Stinnett off CU, Tatum off SIU two years ago, Falker off SIU last year, Coleman of UNI lat year, and so on. Of course depth is important. But some players production is easier to replace. To say that injuries are not a factor is IMO just not correct. Every team has them, but the severity of the injuries (both in terms of the actual injuries and who the injuries are to) plays a big part in how teams do.
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Didn't seem to hurt Drake and Josh Young when he missed games last season. DEPTH!
 
tornado said:
you guys make my day.....and your avatar fits your assessment of the loss of Andrew Warren....
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I am glad you like my avatar. You should like it.
I have to admit I get a little snicker out of the comparison of losing Alex Rubin or Nick Evans to injury.....to BU losing Andrew Warren to injury!!

Rubin and Evans started a combined ZERO games for their teams last year and scored a total of 28 points between them!
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Try and keep up. This has already been covered.
Warren is the top returning scorer BU has and a teamleader as well, the ONLY player on the squad who has MORE than a single season of experience, and one of only two players on the entire squad who has more than 15 starts in his career for BU.
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Well that's bad class balance then. That's bound to happen when you bring in so many JUCO's and then have players run off----I mean leave on their own accord. And why do you need MORE than a single season of experience. Maniscalco has played in 40 plus games in college, and Dunson has played in who knows how many games with his worldly travels.
I should say the loss of Warren for Bradley is nowhere near comparable to SIU losing Evans or ISU losing Rubin, and to make such a comparison shows either a little lack of understanding or an intention desire to deceive.
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This has already been covered.
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Warren's loss would be more like ISU losing Eldridge, and like Indiana State a few years ago when they lost David Moss when they were 8-0 and ranked #1 in RPI, then subsequently lost their next 11!
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Warren and Eldridge aren't exactly in the same ballpark though I am sure you would like to think that.

If OE goes down, we have Champ Oguchi and others who would step up. That's why they call it depth. Some teams have it, some teams don't.

Now I am going to read sportsillustrated.com or find billy packer and see what he thinks about all of this. :)
 
cpacmel said:
Well that's bad class balance then. That's bound to happen when you bring in so many JUCO's..
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I won't repeat what has been posted before, unless you want. But ISU has had more jucos than Bradley, and more than any other MVC team over the past 3 or 4 years.
 
Da Coach said:
I won't repeat what has been posted before, unless you want. But ISU has had more jucos than Bradley, and more than any other MVC team over the past 3 or 4 years.
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And when it has happened it has screwed up our class balance too. Thanks Porter!
 
nice try, but the lack of depth at PG and in the paint may yet expose ISU's class balance problems before this and next year is up.
Tell me again how a 4-0 team with 2 road wins can still have an RPI of only 170??
the ultrasoft schedule is the only thing between 4-0 and exposed.
 
tornado said:
nice try, but the lack of depth at PG and in the paint may yet expose ISU's class balance problems before this and next year is up.
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Well come December we get 2 more "paint" guys back. And probably another PG soon after that. (with Phillips, Holloway, and Shipley now, how many PG's does a team really need anyways?
Tell me again how a 4-0 team with 2 road wins can still have an RPI of only 170??
the ultrasoft schedule is the only thing between 4-0 and exposed.
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Good God Tornado, how many times do I or others here have to say this:

"THERE IS NO VALUE IN LOOKING AT THE RPI THIS EARLY MAN"

By the way ISU's Sagarin rating is 71
 
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