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Creighton Loses/P'Allen Benched

braves12 said:
I think it could be said, that given a choice, a majority of posters would choose Les over Altman.
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BradleyBrave said:
For what? A game of one-on-one? Stock advice?
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Nice...:D
Yep, for those two purposes I'd take Les over Altman...and maybe if I needed a guy to star in a Better Banks commercial. I'd take Les over Altman for that job...but I think that would be about it.
 
Braves4Life said:
I agree with Braves12 :) . Les is a better fit for Bradley than Altman. College basketball is about more than just wins and losses. It's about loyalty, respect, heritage, honesty, family..... Les' brother Tom was a good an honorable Bradley Brave who's gone on to a successful business career. The same could be said for Jim. He's a former player and alumni that has brought honor to The University through his character, honesty, hard work, and committment to Bradley University. I only hope his son chooses to follow "the old man" to The Hilltop, even if he only amounts to a "bench warmer".

This is what makes Bradley such a great university and community; I hope it always stays that way. And I hope J. Les continues as our coach for as long as he chooses. I am confident that he'll continue to put a quality product on the floor for Bradley and the Peoria community. I'm even more confident that he'll continue to bring quality, well-spoken kids who graduate to The Hilltop that we can be proud to call our own.
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I'd prefer it if Les could put together a group of "quality, well-spoken kids that we can be proud to call our own" that could actually win the Valley again in my lifetime.
In fact, I'd be perfectly happy if a few "not so well-spoken kids" came to town for a couple years if they could bring a Valley title or two with them. I'd find a way to be "proud to call them my own" if they could just put up a couple years later than 1996 on the Valley Champs banner in Carver.
 
braves12 said:
What about for loyalty?
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Loyalty is great...but it doesn't help with the Xs and Os. And last time I checked loyalty isn't one of the criteria that the NCAA Selection Committee uses to make their at-large selections...

This isn't a knock on Les, although I'm sure you are all going to take it that way...I truly do hope he turns this program into a consistent Valley winner...It would make for a great, great story....Once a Brave, Always a Brave...yadda yadda yadda...

But Altman is a superior coach...a far superior coach at this point in time...and that's the primary qualification I'm looking for if I get to choose the head coach for my favorite college basketball team.

Having a bunch of nice, well-spoken kids wearing BU uniforms is...well...nice. And if they all try real hard, and never quit, and call you 'sir' when they meet you at the Itoo Hall...well, that's all very nice as well. But they keep score at the games for a reason. Just win, baby.
 
Braves4Life said:
I agree with Braves12 :) . Les is a better fit for Bradley than Altman. College basketball is about more than just wins and losses. It's about loyalty, respect, heritage, honesty, family..... Les' brother Tom was a good an honorable Bradley Brave who's gone on to a successful business career. The same could be said for Jim. He's a former player and alumni that has brought honor to The University through his character, honesty, hard work, and committment to Bradley University. I only hope his son chooses to follow "the old man" to The Hilltop, even if he only amounts to a "bench warmer".

This is what makes Bradley such a great university and community; I hope it always stays that way. And I hope J. Les continues as our coach for as long as he chooses. I am confident that he'll continue to put a quality product on the floor for Bradley and the Peoria community. I'm even more confident that he'll continue to bring quality, well-spoken kids who graduate to The Hilltop that we can be proud to call our own.
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College basketball is about winning games. Dana wins more of them than Jim. And I don't think you would care one bit if the kids were well-spoken or not if we were winning conference titles and going to the NCAA year after year. Here's a newsflash - Most of the players BU has and has had aren't that well-spoken either. I loved Jim as a player and I like him as a coach, but this is just silly. Dana is a better basketball coach, and it's indisputable no matter how you slice it.

Jim Molinari had a ton of quality, well-spoken kids who graduated and represented the university well. Why isn't he still here?
 
Braves4Life said:
Wow! I guess I read you wrong ER3. Last I checked the Bradley Braves were a college team :(
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And last time I checked, they keep score at college basketball games in order to determine who wins and loses...that is what matters.
I don't go to BU games hoping that I can watch a bunch of nice, polite, upstanding young men in BU uniforms that would be suitable husbands for my daughters (if I had any...).
Winning isn't everything...it's the only thing.
 
I basically agree it's about winning within certain bounds. My requirement is that we do it straight up. I want basketball players, but I want them recruited fairly, and I want them treated with integrity while they're here. I want wins and NCAAs but I don't want it at the cost of basic honor or integrity.
 
Braves4Life said:
I agree with Braves12 :) . Les is a better fit for Bradley than Altman. College basketball is about more than just wins and losses. It's about loyalty, respect, heritage, honesty, family..... Les' brother Tom was a good an honorable Bradley Brave who's gone on to a successful business career. The same could be said for Jim. He's a former player and alumni that has brought honor to The University through his character, honesty, hard work, and committment to Bradley University. I only hope his son chooses to follow "the old man" to The Hilltop, even if he only amounts to a "bench warmer".

This is what makes Bradley such a great university and community; I hope it always stays that way. And I hope J. Les continues as our coach for as long as he chooses. I am confident that he'll continue to put a quality product on the floor for Bradley and the Peoria community. I'm even more confident that he'll continue to bring quality, well-spoken kids who graduate to The Hilltop that we can be proud to call our own.
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There's a lot of quality, well-spoken kids who graduate on the Bradley Speech Team too. Should we get them uniforms as well?
 
BradleyBrave said:
There's a lot of quality, well-spoken kids who graduate on the Bradley Speech Team too. Should we get them uniforms as well?
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Yes, by all means...We would have a nice bunch of Beaver Cleavers on our hoops team and our team GPA would be the envy of all the other teams in the Valley.
 
thefish7 said:
I basically agree it's about winning within certain bounds. My requirement is that we do it straight up. I want basketball players, but I want them recruited fairly, and I want them treated with integrity while they're here. I want wins and NCAAs but I don't want it at the cost of basic honor or integrity.
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You need to root for Ivy League schools. ;)
 
tornado said:
Dana had only two 20-win seasons in his first six at Creighton, JL has 3

Dana was 99-78 in his first 6 years at CU, JL is 105-90 -- not too different...

I see a lot of similarities...
If Dana Altman was held to the same standards in his first 6 years at Creighton as JL has been held to by some at BU,
he'd have been canned when after six season he had only produced ONE that didn't have double digit losses.
In fact, in his first 11 seasons as head coach, he only had ONE that didn't have double digit losses and that one had 9.
So in his first 11 seasons as head coach, Dana had 145 losses, avg. 13.3 losses/yr.
I know a whole lot of people who claim to be Bradley fans who wouldn't tolerate that here.
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T, NO ONE here said JL should be canned, only that Dana is the best coach in this league.

We did not say Dana was better than JL in his first 6 years.

We did not say the JL was a bad coach.

We did not say we would take Dana over JL (though I'm not saying I wouldn't)

You are placing two JL lovers under the line of fire for respecting what another coach does! How does that makes sense?

And for the record JL's average losses in his tenure here: 15.0 losses per season... Dana's losses per season in his first six years: 13.0 - If your going to use crazy statistics I've never seen measured, make sure they back your arguement...

I really don't know why this is a JL vs Dana thread. Just because people compliment another coach doesn't mean they are disparaging our own.
 
BradleyBrave said:
Jim Molinari had a ton of quality, well-spoken kids who graduated and represented the university well. Why isn't he still here?
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I liked Mo and he was a great coach (probably a better x's and o's guy than Les), but the bottom line was attendance and winning were down, and he was no longer wanted. I'd have kept him, but it was simply time for a change. I'm sure Les will recognize that as well if faced with the same circumstances.
 
BradleyBrave said:
There's a lot of quality, well-spoken kids who graduate on the Bradley Speech Team too. Should we get them uniforms as well?
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Now your just being silly :lol: . I'd bet more people feel closer to how I do than the "just win baby win" attitude that you, ER, and a few others have. I'm not saying your wrong, just that I think you're in the minority.
 
Braves4Life said:
Now your just being silly :lol: . I'd bet more people feel closer to how I do than the "just win baby win" attitude that you, ER, and a few others have. I'm not saying your wrong, just that I think you're in the minority.
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Being silly is inferring that Jim Les is the only coach who has or is capable of bringing in 'quality, well-spoken' young men, and then saying that's what it's really about. What does 'quality, well-spoken' mean, anyways?

If it wasn't about winning and money then Mo would still be here. Winning = Money. Plain and simple. We didn't win enough, so Mo was gone. His kids were as well-spoken as the coach before or after him. Anyone who thinks it's not about winning and money is naive. If BU was a bottom feeder year-in and year-out 90% of the people on here wouldn't care about them, no one would go to the games, and BU wouldn't make any money.
 
BradleyBrave said:
There's a lot of quality, well-spoken kids who graduate on the Bradley Speech Team too. Should we get them uniforms as well?
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Sure, if they can get 10,000 fans to their debates and make the University a few bucks. Bottom line, most Creighton fans are happy with Dana and most Bradley fans are happy with Jim.
 
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