Difference in PJ Star coverage of local teams

[BradleyJD]

Seriously this thread is all about grasping at straws.

The Peoria JS is focused on events in Peoria. I would expect them to have more coverage of and about PEORIA teams. Normal has their own paper to cover ISU games.

This column came after the EIU game, which Bradley lost, but recall that they were without perhaps their best player Taylor Brown, and with Sam Maniscalco playing injured.

So should any article on BU games include that TB and SM are out for the season? They are out, it's time to move on. We have to find a way to win with what we have left.

we still get bad writeups even when we don't suck and in the offseason when we're not even playing...

You mean like the Hoops preview section of the PJStar??


One last thing...some people on here like to point out how critical the PJS is about BU basketball. Yet, these same posters LOVE to post every story that is negative about every other team and program.

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

 

[Da Coach]

Da Coach, please give me a break. No one could possibly look at last night's ISU article and come away feeling positive about that team in any way. Puh-leeze.

Jank and Jonny Campos don't seem to see any negatives.

One last thing...

all we ask for is consistency

 

[abesimpson]

so finally break the ice....we have someone who admits they are negative towards Bradley --
now all we need is a consensus that haven't been similarly negative towards ISU and we'll have agreement......

There should be some negativity after that loss though....

Everyone will have a great chance to make a case when BU plays Duke. That game will make for a better comparison: facing a ranked team as an underdog. Also, ISU should have given great effort because they were at home, BU should give great effort because every player reportedly wanted very badly to play Duke. So effort levels should be able to be compared even though one was home and one was away. The only variable should be missing starters and national TV coverage.

If BU gets embarrassed by Duke, then compare that article to the ISU one for the loss.

 

[BradleyBrave]

I would suggest starting an independent newspaper that only offers 'fair and objective' pro-BU propaganda. It was the solution to the PJ Star Forums issue, and I see it as the only way to solve the PJ Star newspaper issue.

I'll be your first subscriber.

 

[Da Coach]

I would suggest starting an independent newspaper that only offers 'fair and objective' pro-BU propaganda. It was the solution to the PJ Star Forums issue, and I see it as the only way to solve the PJ Star newspaper issue.

I'll be your first subscriber.

Newspapers lose money. Why would anyone want to start a business that is guaranteed to lose money.
Why not start a website instead...oops, I guess that's what people have done.

 

[srw]

I would suggest starting an independent newspaper that only offers 'fair and objective' pro-BU propaganda. It was the solution to the PJ Star Forums issue, and I see it as the only way to solve the PJ Star newspaper issue.

I'll be your first subscriber.

I wish I could "like" this as in facebook!

 

[Beninator]

so finally break the ice....we have someone who admits they are negative towards Bradley --
now all we need is a consensus that haven't been similarly negative towards ISU and we'll have agreement......

I worked with a guy who was an ISU grad. On numerous occasions, he would bring a KW article into my office for a joke. He would then state, that he was glad that KW did not write for the Redbirds. Then shortly after he said that, he would say... well maybe KW does write for ISU!

SMH:roll:

 

[Disturbed]

I think you've got it all backwards. If the PJS were actually out to get Bradley I doubt they would write negative articles about JL's teams. If you're truly out to get them, you would constantly defend the JL regime and then that lofty 54% winning percentage stays here forever.

 

[Out of Balance]

I don't really care what the headline is. They lost by 31.

I agree:!: Like I said before, what the hell difference does it make if you lose why 31 or 5:? You lose and your record will indicate so with a 1 in the lost column

 

[Da Coach]

Another comparison-

Here is columnist Randy Kindred's column about last night's ISU loss in the Bloomington Pantagraph (Kindred is not the ISU beat writer, but is the Pantagraph's sports columnist, the equivalent of Kirk Wessler)-

Perimeter shooting woes hurt ISU effort against Rebels
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_1e90bb9c-fde2-11df-bb1d-001cc4c002e0.html

Compare that column with the post-game column by Kirk Wessler
Nothing good about Bradley's loss
http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x1966819901/Wessler-Nothing-good-about-Bradleys-loss

Enough said. The Kindred column suggests ISU just simply had an off night shooting the ball, and that the game would have been different if not for this fluke. Their 31 point blowout loss was just real bad luck! Heck, in practice earlier, they were shooting the ball real well!
I can't find a single negative or critical comment in the column.

I watched the game and it was a whole lot more than that. They shot poorly, rebounded poorly, showed little effort, looked confused, played horrible defense, and never seemed to make any adjustments the whole game. I suspect if Kindred and Wessler switched jobs, Kirk might have been able to find a few more negative thoughts about last night's game if he really tried.

 

[BradleyJD]

Another comparison-

Here is columnist Randy Kindred's column about last night's ISU loss in the Bloomington Pantagraph (Kindred is not the ISU beat writer, but is the Pantagraph's sports columnist, the equivalent of Kirk Wessler)-

Perimeter shooting woes hurt ISU effort against Rebels
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_1e90bb9c-fde2-11df-bb1d-001cc4c002e0.html

Compare that column with the post-game column by Kirk Wessler
Nothing good about Bradley's loss
http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x1966819901/Wessler-Nothing-good-about-Bradleys-loss

Enough said. The Kindred column suggests ISU just simply had an off night shooting the ball, and that the game would have been different if not for this fluke. Their 31 point blowout loss was just real bad luck! Heck, in practice earlier, they were shooting the ball real well!
I can't find a single negative or critical comment in the column.

I watched the game and it was a whole lot more than that. They shot poorly, rebounded poorly, showed little effort, looked confused, played horrible defense, and never seemed to make any adjustments the whole game. I suspect if Kindred and Wessler switched jobs, Kirk might have been able to find a few more negative thoughts about last night's game if he really tried.

So you are saying that Kirk is better. I would agree!

 

[Out of Balance]

By design. Red herring. The next topic will probably be the NCAA's singular bias against BU, and local politics preventing us from building an on-campus arena.

BU's BB (lost's,problems,short fall's) are all faults of the PJS, the NCAA, Local Politics, their students, the anti BU posters here and hell, for that matter THE WORLD I sure am glad I walk my own road and have no one to blame but myself:!: This is just nuts and plain embarrassing to point to everything and anything but where it SHOULD BE PIONTED:!: Last time I looked none of the above coach and play's game for BU and has absolutely no hand in any of BU's game, win or lose

 

[Beninator]

So you are saying that Kirk is better. I would agree!

The problem here is that KW finds ways to go over the top whenever possible. If he would omit a lot of the sarcasm in his article, he would be far more effective. But KW will never understand this! Judging from his writing style, KW is the type of person who at a party, thinks that he is the wittiest and funniest person in the room, but in reality is neither!

 

[Out of Balance]

Seriously this thread is all about grasping at straws.

The Peoria JS is focused on events in Peoria. I would expect them to have more coverage of and about PEORIA teams. Normal has their own paper to cover ISU games.



So should any article on BU games include that TB and SM are out for the season? They are out, it's time to move on. We have to find a way to win with what we have left.



You mean like the Hoops preview section of the PJStar??


One last thing...some people on here like to point out how critical the PJS is about BU basketball. Yet, these same posters LOVE to post every story that is negative about every other team and program.

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

Let me guess who he is:lol:

 

[BradleyJD]

The problem here is that KW finds ways to go over the top whenever possible. If he would omit a lot of the sarcasm in his article, he would be far more effective. But KW will never understand this! Judging from his writing style, KW is the type of person who at a party, thinks that he is the wittiest and funniest person in the room, but in reality is neither!

I think Kirk is happy with how he is perceived. Just think about how much pub all of his articles get. That is his job as a columnist. Get people talking. Sell papers.

 

[Chico]

Another comparison-

Here is columnist Randy Kindred's column about last night's ISU loss in the Bloomington Pantagraph (Kindred is not the ISU beat writer, but is the Pantagraph's sports columnist, the equivalent of Kirk Wessler)-

Perimeter shooting woes hurt ISU effort against Rebels
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_1e90bb9c-fde2-11df-bb1d-001cc4c002e0.html

Compare that column with the post-game column by Kirk Wessler
Nothing good about Bradley's loss
http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x1966819901/Wessler-Nothing-good-about-Bradleys-loss

Enough said. The Kindred column suggests ISU just simply had an off night shooting the ball, and that the game would have been different if not for this fluke. Their 31 point blowout loss was just real bad luck! Heck, in practice earlier, they were shooting the ball real well!
I can't find a single negative or critical comment in the column.

I watched the game and it was a whole lot more than that. They shot poorly, rebounded poorly, showed little effort, looked confused, played horrible defense, and never seemed to make any adjustments the whole game. I suspect if Kindred and Wessler switched jobs, Kirk might have been able to find a few more negative thoughts about last night's game if he really tried.

IMO, Kindred wishes he wouldn't have to write what he had to last night, but as long as JL is BU's coach, KW enjoys it when he has to write about how bad the Braves performed.

 

[Out of Balance]

I would suggest starting an independent newspaper that only offers 'fair and objective' pro-BU propaganda. It was the solution to the PJ Star Forums issue, and I see it as the only way to solve the PJ Star newspaper issue.

I'll be your first subscriber.

NOT ME, I GET ENOUGH OF IT HERE FOR FREE:lol: XXOO

 

[BradleyBrave]

Another comparison-

Here is columnist Randy Kindred's column about last night's ISU loss in the Bloomington Pantagraph (Kindred is not the ISU beat writer, but is the Pantagraph's sports columnist, the equivalent of Kirk Wessler)-

Perimeter shooting woes hurt ISU effort against Rebels
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_1e90bb9c-fde2-11df-bb1d-001cc4c002e0.html

Compare that column with the post-game column by Kirk Wessler
Nothing good about Bradley's loss
http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x1966819901/Wessler-Nothing-good-about-Bradleys-loss

Enough said. The Kindred column suggests ISU just simply had an off night shooting the ball, and that the game would have been different if not for this fluke. Their 31 point blowout loss was just real bad luck! Heck, in practice earlier, they were shooting the ball real well!
I can't find a single negative or critical comment in the column.

I watched the game and it was a whole lot more than that. They shot poorly, rebounded poorly, showed little effort, looked confused, played horrible defense, and never seemed to make any adjustments the whole game. I suspect if Kindred and Wessler switched jobs, Kirk might have been able to find a few more negative thoughts about last night's game if he really tried.

Maybe the PJ Star has higher expectations for BU than ISU, and thus is harder on them when they fail to meet those expectations (set by, you know, past standards of success). Over the course of history, BU has had a better, more well-known program than ISU. It's like yelling at the all-conference player who's getting beaten by some benchwarmer versus yelling at the walk-on who has a turnover in garbage time of a blowout. One has a point to it, one doesn't. Are we saying we want BU to be treated like the walk-on, and just get a pat on the back and a 'good job' for showing up? I'd prefer to be held to the same standard of excellence that we've achieved in the past, and be measured against that. Was there anything good about BU's loss to EIU? I don't see what's wrong with that statement.

But to cast all doubt aside, I'd just start the newspaper so we don't have to have this discussion. The Daily Worker, er, I mean PJ Star needs some competition to keep it honest.

 

[Out of Balance]

I worked with a guy who was an ISU grad. On numerous occasions, he would bring a KW article into my office for a joke. He would then state, that he was glad that KW did not write for the Redbirds. Then shortly after he said that, he would say... well maybe KW does write for ISU!

SMH:roll:

NOW WE KNOW THE REASON FOR YOUR DISLIKE TOWARDS THE PJS AND WHY YOU ARE SO UPSET WITH THEM:razz: BUT BENNI TELL THE TRUTH, YOUR FRIEND WAS A WOMAN AND SHE TOLD YOU NO THE NIGHT BEFORE TO:mrgreen:

 

[BradleyBrave]

I had a friend that worked at the PJ Star too. He didn't like BU. He didn't like ISU either. I guess he was the nexus of the universe. :-o