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ESPN ranking of the teams in Illinois

time will tell, but I would NOT rank BU and SIU behind DePaul, ISU, and UIC..
if they choose to play such a boatload of cupcakes and lose to them anyway -- how can you place them that high?

UIC has lost to some pretty bad teams...
DePaul has NOT beaten anyone - they are 1-4 vs. the only opponents they have better than RPI 170, and their only won over anyone whose RPI is better than 170 was over Loyola proving the Loyola cannot be that good!

Loyola likewise hasn't beaten a single team whose RPI is 165 or better (Pomeroy) -- 8 of their wins are over teams >> 200!! And Pomeroy ranks Loyola's SOS thus far at #340 out of 345.

Likewise, ISU's SOS is 328, DePaul's 260
 
Losses this season by RPI​

BU
266 EIU
219 Western Carolina
118 Utah
86 TCU
3 Duke​

ISU
146 Ohio
129 UALR
11 UNLV​

SIU
169 Northeastern
127 WKU
70 New Mexico
35 Illinois
28 Purdue

#'s taken from Warren Nolan. Pomeroy doesn't do RPI #'s anymore.​
 
cpacmel said:
ISU
146 Ohio
129 UALR
11 UNLV​
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It's not just who your losses are to, it's the weakness of the wins.

5. Illinois State (8-3): It??™s hard to fairly judge the Redbirds so far. They have won some games, but haven??™t really played anyone. In three of their more notable games, they lost to UNLV by 32 points and Ohio by two points and defeated UIC by 10...
 
tornado said:
I get a kick out of an ISU fans trying to make the argument their schedule is tough
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Mel throws some stats up there and you deduct that he thinks our schedue is tough. Do you really think any of us think our schedule is tough?

You mock us for playing too many cupcakes (which we do). I'd consider a cupcake a team with an RPI over 200. You've lost to 2 of them. We've lost to none.

BU fans should be happy; you're ahead of a team that beat you on your home court.
 
tornado said:
time will tell, but I would NOT rank BU and SIU behind DePaul, ISU, and UIC..
if they choose to play such a boatload of cupcakes and lose to them anyway -- how can you place them that high?

UIC has lost to some pretty bad teams...
DePaul has NOT beaten anyone - they are 1-4 vs. the only opponents they have better than RPI 170, and their only won over anyone whose RPI is better than 170 was over Loyola proving the Loyola cannot be that good!

Loyola likewise hasn't beaten a single team whose RPI is 165 or better (Pomeroy) -- 8 of their wins are over teams >> 200!! And Pomeroy ranks Loyola's SOS thus far at #340 out of 345.

Likewise, ISU's SOS is 328, DePaul's 260
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Uhhh, UIC just did beat then #12 Illinois! That's probably why they are ahead of us, at least for now. But agreed on the others, and if UIC tanks in Horizon play we should be able to finish ahead of them too if we have even a halfway decent year.
 
TheAsianSensation said:
I've never seen an ISU fan in the last 3 years attempt to make that argument, let alone anyone in this thread.
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There may have been one or two that have tried, but you're right, the majority of ISU fans are embarrassed by their scheduling.

You know, the Valley did a nice job the last week or two of winning the games they should have, Drake notwithstanding. The Valley has a better overall record due to most teams currently playing the soft part of their schedule, and due to a few recent quality wins. I would like to think that the slow start was due to the overall more difficult schedule that the Valley set this year. And that is a good thing even if the results weren't as good as most would have liked to have seen considering we have several veteran teams playing this year. But ISU is the one big thorn in the Valley's side, and that's inexcusable.

To schedule as they have in recent years show that they are playing scared. I know that maybe their inflated win total did contribute to some NIT appearances, but toughening up their schedule in exchange for two or three fewer wins would still not hurt their NIT chances as conference wins tend to dictate NIT invites more than overall record. I hope they get the message one of these years that scheduling those creampuffs will not do anyone any favors. I say one or two more years of scheduling like they have should result in some sort of fine from the league. Enough already!
 
Judging by our results, the fluke looks like USC, not EIU. Hard to argue in BU's favor when you lose at home to a team as bad as Eastern.
 
BradleyBrave said:
Judging by our results, the fluke looks like USC, not EIU. Hard to argue in BU's favor when you lose at home to a team as bad as Eastern.
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Yea... and really, any wins by Bradley over the past 9 seasons have been flukes... it's the losses that are never flukes. :twisted:
 
Bravesfan said:
To schedule as they have in recent years show that they are playing scared. I know that maybe their inflated win total did contribute to some NIT appearances, but toughening up their schedule in exchange for two or three fewer wins would still not hurt their NIT chances as conference wins tend to dictate NIT invites more than overall record. I hope they get the message one of these years that scheduling those creampuffs will not do anyone any favors. I say one or two more years of scheduling like they have should result in some sort of fine from the league. Enough already!
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Bravesfan you do know that Coach Jankovich has won 65% of his MVC games in the 3 years he has been at ISU. His teams have finished 2nd, 3rd and 3rd in the MVC regular season standings. 2 of his first 3 years he was in the MVC Championship game.

His first years at ISU, the Redbirds have finished with RPI's of 37, 47 and 76. And in those 3 years only 4 MVC teams TOTAL have had better RPI's.

Those are facts. You can try and dispute them if you want or try to spin them if you like. But they are what they are.

Sure I wish we would schedule tougher foes. Most ISU fans I know feel that way. But I don't think one can really argue Jank's results in his first 3 years in Normal.

As far as this year goes, ISU is very young and inexperienced. That's not excuse, it's a fact. ISU has the 23rd youngest team out of 346 D I's schools.
 
BradleyBrave said:
Who said that?
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Ummm - I think I just did.

Don't read too deep into it. I wasn't trying to aim-n-flame at anyone in particular.

I am only saying what seems to be the common theme of many Bradley fans, Bradley haters, and the local rag. :twisted:

Our wins are flukes and are losses never are. Same old, same old. :lol:
 
cpacmel said:
Bravesfan you do know that Coach Jankovich has won 65% of his MVC games in the 3 years he has been at ISU. His teams have finished 2nd, 3rd and 3rd in the MVC regular season standings. 2 of his first 3 years he was in the MVC Championship game.

His first years at ISU, the Redbirds have finished with RPI's of 37, 47 and 76. And in those 3 years only 4 MVC teams TOTAL have had better RPI's.

Those are facts. You can try and dispute them if you want or try to spin them if you like. But they are what they are.

Sure I wish we would schedule tougher foes. Most ISU fans I know feel that way. But I don't think one can really argue Jank's results in his first 3 years in Normal.

As far as this year goes, ISU is very young and inexperienced. That's not excuse, it's a fact. ISU has the 23rd youngest team out of 346 D I's schools.
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Well I did say that conference record probably goes a longer way towards an NIT birth than the non-conference record. And I'm not denying Jank has a good record. But my problem is all the creampuff teams they schedule. That does not help the overall Valley RPI, and that hurts his team by not preparing them for the more challanging Valley schedule. They made the NIT, but a soft schedule will not prepare a veteran team for the resume building games against the Valley elite, the type of games that can help a team earn a birth to the Big Dance.

Now I agree that this year's easy schedule will work well for a very young team. But what was their excuse the past three years when they had more experience?
 
Bravesfan said:
Well I did say that conference record probably goes a longer way towards an NIT birth than the non-conference record.
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I thought you said something like "I know that maybe their inflated win total did contribute to some NIT appearances"


And I'm not denying Jank has a good record. But my problem is all the creampuff teams they schedule. That does not help the overall Valley RPI, and that hurts his team by not preparing them for the more challanging Valley schedule.
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Valley RPI? Conference RPI isn't even looked at the selection committee, so why do you think it's important? The 8th rated conference doesn't mean more bids for their teams than the 9th, 10th, 11th, etc. Teams get bids, not conferences.

And while we are debating things like RPI, you did read where only 4 total teams in the MVC have had better RPI's than ISU over the last 3 years, right?

They made the NIT, but a soft schedule will not prepare a veteran team for the resume building games against the Valley elite, the type of games that can help a team earn a birth to the Big Dance.
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Now I agree that this year's easy schedule will work well for a very young team. But what was their excuse the past three years when they had more experience?
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I don't remember the exact %'s but during Jank's first few seasons at ISU he lost over 50% of his scoring, each year. And coming into this season I think they lost like 60-70% scoring from last season.

So the last 3 years, the only schools that scheduled properly were UNI (the last 2 years) and Drake 3 years ago?
 
45otseoj said:
Mel throws some stats up there and you deduct that he thinks our schedue is tough. Do you really think any of us think our schedule is tough?

You mock us for playing too many cupcakes (which we do). I'd consider a cupcake a team with an RPI over 200. You've lost to 2 of them. We've lost to none.

BU fans should be happy; you're ahead of a team that beat you on your home court.
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Here's the opinion of an unbiased third party that has nothing to do with Bradley or isu, published yesterday (12/25).....

http://tribstar.com/sports/x480665913/FROM-THE-PRESS-BOX-ISU-s-place-in-pecking-order-hasn-t-changed

With the nonconference portion of the MVC's season nearly over, here's how MVC teams stack up in comparison to preseason predictions.

5. Bradley (6-5) ??” The Braves are the one team that has an excuse for their mediocre showing. Bradley lost starters Taylor Brown and Sam Maniscalco for the season and have struggled without them.

Rising, falling or about the same as everyone thought? Injuries have Bradley falling, perhaps down into the play-in zone.


6. Illinois State (8-3) ??” The Redbirds??™ nonconference record is misleading, built thanks to an incredibly weak schedule, rated 311th overall. Illinois State has only played four teams in the RPI top 150, going 1-3. The Redbirds were annihilated at home by the one good team (UNLV) they played.

Rising, falling or about the same as everyone thought? Falling. There??™s no way a schedule that weak justifies anything else.
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It's going to be an interesting year in the Valley for sure. From what I have seen so far WSU, UNI, and MSU seem to be a step ahead of everyone else. I have no idea what CU is going to be. I think they're too talented though to finish lower than 4th. After those 4, I think it's a crapshoot between 5th and 10th.
 
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