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Final: BU 63 UIC 62

Bravesfan said:
.. but I still don't get your point regarding how it would be impossible to be better this year..
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so if you look at Bradley when we're 7-25 or a game or two over .500, and conclude "it just isn't possible to have been any better"..
Thus you don't have a lot of hope we're going to win any key games and then you are stoked about finishing at the bottom of the league??

I am not - I look at this team, and firmly believe they are better than the record indicates...and that we can and should be competitive in every game that we should NOT accept or be happy with losses - especially double digit and 30pt losses - and I want to see them finish strong and win several games...
 
tornado said:
so if you look at Bradley when we're 7-25 or a game or two over .500, and conclude "it just isn't possible to have been any better"..
Thus you don't have a lot of hope we're going to win any key games and then you are stoked about finishing at the bottom of the league??

I am not - I look at this team, and firmly believe they are better than the record indicates...and that we can and should be competitive in every game that we should NOT accept or be happy with losses - especially double digit and 30pt losses - and I want to see them finish strong and win several games...
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Huge difference...

2012-13

Missouri Valley W-L GB PCT W-L PCT STRK
Wichita State 12-4 -- .750 24-5 .828 W5
Creighton 11-5 1 .688 22-7 .759 L1
Northern Iowa 10-6 2 .625 17-12 .586 L1
Indiana State 9-7 3 .563 17-11 .607 W1
Evansville 8-8 4 .500 16-13 .552 W2
Illinois State 7-9 5 .438 16-13 .552 L3
Bradley 7-9 5 .438 16-13 .552 W1
Missouri State 6-10 6 .375 9-20 .310 W1
Drake 6-10 6 .375 13-15 .464 W2
Southern Illinois 4-12 8 .250 12-16 .429 W1



2011-12

Missouri Valley W-L GB PCT W-L PCT STRK
Wichita State 16-2 -- .889 27-5 .844 L1
Creighton 14-4 2 .778 28-5 .848 W7
Illinois State 9-9 7 .500 20-13 .606 L1
Evansville 9-9 7 .500 16-15 .516 L1
Northern Iowa 9-9 7 .500 19-13 .594 L1
Drake 9-9 7 .500 17-15 .531 L1
Missouri State 9-9 7 .500 16-16 .500 L5
Indiana State 8-10 8 .444 18-14 .563 L1
Southern Illinois 5-13 11 .278 8-23 .258 L7
Bradley 2-16 14 .111 7-25 .219 L6
 
tornado said:
so if you look at Bradley when we're 7-25 or a game or two over .500, and conclude "it just isn't possible to have been any better"..
Thus you don't have a lot of hope we're going to win any key games and then you are stoked about finishing at the bottom of the league??

I am not - I look at this team, and firmly believe they are better than the record indicates...and that we can and should be competitive in every game that we should NOT accept or be happy with losses - especially double digit and 30pt losses - and I want to see them finish strong and win several games...
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I dont quite understand why such high expectations are being leveled on this year. We esssentially added some serviceable frontcourt depth with TP and WE back from injury and have seen our two best guards mature and carry us for much of the season. Going from 7-25 to where we are now seems reasonable given those two circumstances.

As the saying goes Rome wasnt built in a day...I prefer to give it more than one true year with a new coach and system to assess where we really are. I am enjoying being more competitive and how hard this team plays - especially compared to last year. It is certainly progress and justifies some faith that Geno knows what he is doing.

I am all for high expectations, but I think most would agree this year has definitely been refreshing and stands as solid progress.
 
BorntobeBrave04 said:
I dont quite understand why such high expectations are being leveled on this year. We esssentially added some serviceable frontcourt depth with TP and WE back from injury and have seen our two best guards mature and carry us for much of the season. Going from 7-25 to where we are now seems reasonable given those two circumstances.

As the saying goes Rome wasnt built in a day...I prefer to give it more than one true year with a new coach and system to assess where we really are. I am enjoying being more competitive and how hard this team plays - especially compared to last year. It is certainly progress and justifies some faith that Geno knows what he is doing.

I am all for high expectations, but I think most would agree this year has definitely been refreshing and stands as solid progress.
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It's a way of blaming the current coaching staff...nothing more
 
Lefty - don't be so harsh - it's his job - he's only stirring the pot...

Kirk Wessler on Geno's coaching...
"Last summer, shortly after he was hired to fix this mess, Ford told me that if the team sucked
and I wrote that the team sucked, he would have no problem with that
... it??™s time to take him up on that....Bradley sucked...."
 
LittleBrave said:
Seriously?
We have made great adjustments in several games this season to come out on top, including the last game.

The home games vs. ISU-blue, Evansville, ISU-red are examples of half-time adjustments being made and resulted in wins.

Why do we need to make adjustments at halftime in games that we're winning? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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"Halftime adjustments" is the most over-used expression uttered by fans. Ask any coach (including Geno Ford), and they'll tell you that the coaching staff is constantly making adjustments throughout the entire game.
 
I am 100% positive about our coaching staff - I'm there every game - and I am pretty sure lefty sees me standing up & cheering even more than he does (;))....but there's plenty here who have not been
 
Braves4Life said:
Huge difference...

2012-13

Missouri Valley W-L GB PCT W-L PCT STRK
Wichita State 12-4 -- .750 24-5 .828 W5
Creighton 11-5 1 .688 22-7 .759 L1
Northern Iowa 10-6 2 .625 17-12 .586 L1
Indiana State 9-7 3 .563 17-11 .607 W1
Evansville 8-8 4 .500 16-13 .552 W2
Illinois State 7-9 5 .438 16-13 .552 L3
Bradley 7-9 5 .438 16-13 .552 W1
Missouri State 6-10 6 .375 9-20 .310 W1
Drake 6-10 6 .375 13-15 .464 W2
Southern Illinois 4-12 8 .250 12-16 .429 W1



2011-12

Missouri Valley W-L GB PCT W-L PCT STRK
Wichita State 16-2 -- .889 27-5 .844 L1
Creighton 14-4 2 .778 28-5 .848 W7
Illinois State 9-9 7 .500 20-13 .606 L1
Evansville 9-9 7 .500 16-15 .516 L1
Northern Iowa 9-9 7 .500 19-13 .594 L1
Drake 9-9 7 .500 17-15 .531 L1
Missouri State 9-9 7 .500 16-16 .500 L5
Indiana State 8-10 8 .444 18-14 .563 L1
Southern Illinois 5-13 11 .278 8-23 .258 L7
Bradley 2-16 14 .111 7-25 .219 L6
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I'm not seeing it B4L. Can you please explain? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
wily coyote said:
Couldn't agree more . Most of us know what he was getting at but you hit the nail on the head for those who didn't get it.
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I certainly get it but it still seems unfathomable that blame is even an option for this year.

Doubling our wins and even being in contention to not play on Thursday is a huge step. Why be half empty and pine for what used to be when that isnt coming back...
 
..being in contention to not play on Thursday is a huge step
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wow - where were all the fans with such minimal expectations a couple years ago??
The world seemed filled with people who were miserable even with 20 wins or 4th place and an NCAA bid
 
tornado said:
wow - where were all the fans with such minimal expectations a couple years ago??
The world seemed filled with people who were miserable even with 20 wins or 4th place and an NCAA bid
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We're all here...watching a team in the rebuilding phase with a winning record under a 2nd year head coach. And we were there to watch a team that should have finished 3rd or better with the talent level we had and didn't have a winning record under a head coach's 8th season, and then still watching after going into February, winless during his 9th season. I should have had that "minimal" expectation after 2 of our best players got injured, but I guess I was aiming WAAAAAAAYYYY too high in expecting 1 win in 11 games.
 
tornado said:
so if you look at Bradley when we're 7-25 or a game or two over .500, and conclude "it just isn't possible to have been any better"..
Thus you don't have a lot of hope we're going to win any key games and then you are stoked about finishing at the bottom of the league??

I am not - I look at this team, and firmly believe they are better than the record indicates...and that we can and should be competitive in every game that we should NOT accept or be happy with losses - especially double digit and 30pt losses - and I want to see them finish strong and win several games...
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Excuse me. I am NOT stoked that about finishing in the bottom half of the league. Never have, never will be. But when you hit rock bottom like we did the past two years (for whatever the reasons, but that's a discussion for another day), you have learn to crawl before you walk.

No, personally I did not have a lot of hope about us winning key games. But I do believe we have exceeded expectations, and I'm surprised you feel we are playing so poor considering you were very outspoken that our poor record last year was caused by the fallout from Les's firing. Now you are saying we are playing below our talent level. So which is it?

And I respectably disagree that Bradley has not been competitive in most of their games. With may 3 or 4 exceptions, they have been very competitive in every game this year, and while the Drake and Portland losses were particularly grating, we have had the capability of winning many more games this year, which we have done.

Oh, and yes even Duke has lost a couple of games by close to 30 points this year. Therefore, I guess that means they have no business being ranked in the top 5 this year. So our losing a few games like that proves nothing in my opinion.
 
tornado said:
wow - where were all the fans with such minimal expectations a couple years ago??
The world seemed filled with people who were miserable even with 20 wins or 4th place and an NCAA bid
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People weren't miserable with the NCAA bid or THAT 4th place finish....you know that......it didn't get better and in fact got worse after that and the change happened..

These expectations are the same now as they were the first few years of Les's start as a D-1 coach.....

and I'm sure if we finish upper half or win the conference or a conference tournament but not a SS then some here will contend we never met expectations either......y'all are making me dizzy(insert dizzy sign here)
 
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