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Final: Creighton 75 Bradley 58

SFP said:
+1 Yea he needs to find a way to become more efficient on the offensive side no doubt but anyone who would play NW over JP just does not have an understanding of the game.
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OK - I like Jordan Prosser - so I want to respond...
He averages almost 7 ppg, 5 rebs in 20 minutes - he rarely has a turnover...his numbers don't differ much from Justin Gant - (8ppg, 5 rpg) who everyone here on this board seems to like....
and yet Gant starts every game, plays way more than Pross, hits only 45% and has way more turnovers.

Pross hits almost 50% of his FG attempts (leads the team among all players who have either started any games or played more than 8 minutes per game), and averages only a little over 1.5 fouls per game (Egolf & Pickett are over 3 fouls per game)..
He gets 146 pts this year on 119 FG attempts - or about 1.23 pts/attempt - as good or better than our best scorers (DSE=1.14, WE=1.14, Jalen=0.86) , and way better than Gant (1.15)
In fact Pross has taken about the same number of shots as Jalen Crawford - but has scored an incredible 52% MORE points!!
I think an argument can be made that Pross is NOT the problem - and just maybe we ought to get the ball down low into his hands MORE since we rarely seem to ever do that.

Interestingly - it appears Geno Ford agrees with this thought...
"In four straight possessions, we make zero, zero, one and one pass,” Ford said.
“We were just too quick. Because then they get to play offense more,
where they’re really good. We lost our patience and panicked. And I started to feel it slip away."
 
mrcoachdude said:
Leave Prosser alone. He is working hard.....He wasn't suppose. to be our savior.
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MCD let me clarify my position on Prosser. I may have been to harsh. I to like Prosser as a Bu representitive. HE IS NOT THE PROBLEM but, HE is part of the problem. He should be a 5 to 8 min per game player. Yes T he does have similar numbers to Gant but ISU blue doesn't depend on Gant like we depend on help from our bigs and since the Valley season started Prosser has been a NO SHOW.Maybe it's a slump and he will snap out of it. To be determined.T disagree with your statement about his turnovers. Not the best hands in the world but some of that not all his problem . Our guards don't always put the ball in places to make it easy for him to catch. IF we were to get in the upper 3 or 4 soon ,we needed to have recruited over him several years ago so he would be able to come off the bench. Simple as that. Great kid but not going to get us to the next level. This may sound like I'm anti JP but I would like to have another like him just not a 20 to 25 minute player.
 
It seems to me that Prosser just isn't quite strong enough,quick enough, tall enough, to be a real force. He is not intimidating defensively either....his greatest strength is use of either hand around the basket and good touch from 8-12 feet. Get him touches there and if it's not there then he needs to get rid of the ball asap. The longer JP has the ball the worse the results......

I think it's easy to find stats that support any argument but JP hasn't been effective much in the conference
 
lefty said:
It seems to me that Prosser just isn't quite strong enough,quick enough, tall enough, to be a real force. He is not intimidating defensively either....his greatest strength is use of either hand around the basket and good touch from 8-12 feet. Get him touches there and if it's not there then he needs to get rid of the ball asap. The longer JP has the ball the worse the results......

I think it's easy to find stats that support any argument but JP hasn't been effective much in the conference
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Lefty I could not agree more. IMO he should be playing the 4 not the 5 we have him. The best part of his offense is that mid-range jumper. I'm also throwing any stat out on him because the eye test on this is overwhelming. Also our bigs are terrible passers. Once JP or TP gets the ball in the paint they are only thinking about heaving the ball toward the rim. Defenses are scouting this and just collapsing. Also, we need to run a few more pick and rolls. When we did we were fairly successful.
 
JP provides a needed value and talent on this team...it really bothers me to see posters speculate and wish that he would leave. There has been improvement this year as a team and that is great. We should see even more improvement to next season and JP will be a part of that...

We all are smart enough to know that it takes a TEAM to win and putting together that puzzle is the coaches duty...I am sure Coach Ford knows what he needs to bring that puzzle closer together...
 
mrcoachdude said:
JP provides a needed value and talent on this team...it really bothers me to see posters speculate and wish that he would leave. There has been improvement this year as a team and that is great. We should see even more improvement to next season and JP will be a part of that...

We all are smart enough to know that it takes a TEAM to win and putting together that puzzle is the coaches duty...I am sure Coach Ford knows what he needs to bring that puzzle closer together...
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I would hope no one on here would want JP to leave, but I think we all expected more out of him and hope he can pick it up the rest of this season and next season also.
 
Chico said:
I would hope no one on here would want JP to leave, but I think we all expected more out of him and hope he can pick it up the rest of this season and next season also.
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I have seen a few posters suggest as much with quotes of him being a wasted scholarship. I believe most of us believe that JP could bring more to the table and with a little fine tuning he could be what most of us thought his potential would be on The Hilltop.
 
SFP said:
I have seen a few posters suggest as much with quotes of him being a wasted scholarship. I believe most of us believe that JP could bring more to the table and with a little fine tuning he could be what most of us thought his potential would be on The Hilltop.
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I still believe in the big guy. I even thought he was being under utilized after WE came back since his production per 40 was better than SS. Now I'm just not sure what's with this slump.
 
Chico said:
I would hope no one on here would want JP to leave, but I think we all expected more out of him and hope he can pick it up the rest of this season and next season also.
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A few posts have suggested this, but overall the majority of us really want JP to succeed. With his work ethic, hustle, and high character, he would be a lot of our favorite Braves if he were playing consistently well. I think maybe it's because of these attributes that we are frustrated that he is not having success.

On the same token, his scoring during the conference season is unacceptable in order to have a winning team. Considering him to be our most valuable bench player is kind of sad from a fan perspective. Whether he's out of position or not, I haven't seen much improvement from him since his freshman season, and I can say the same about JC and SS unfortunately.
 
I have never "wanted him gone" and I think he does provide some decent minutes off the bench. However, due to the lack of production in conference play, I don't think he'll be back next year if we're able to recruit a big or two that can step in.
 
shaunguth said:
I have never "wanted him gone" and I think he does provide some decent minutes off the bench. However, due to the lack of production in conference play, I don't think he'll be back next year if we're able to recruit a big or two that can step in.
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Point - Fields, Bell
SG/SF, since Ford doesn't really differentiate - Lemon Jr, Crawford, Grier, Tucker, Zecevic
PF - Pickett, Shayok
Center Prosser, Wells

Two rides are open.

My point is that I want Prosser around next year, but I want a juco center to start and a juco pf to be the first off the bench. If we need to open a ride up, I would rather it come from the SG/SF category, there are only so many minutes to go around.
 
shaunguth said:
I have never "wanted him gone" and I think he does provide some decent minutes off the bench. However, due to the lack of production in conference play, I don't think he'll be back next year if we're able to recruit a big or two that can step in.
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Really? Where will he go? He'll be a senior. He'll be back regardless of who we recruit and frankly I'm glad.
 
SFP said:
Really? Where will he go? He'll be a senior. He'll be back regardless of who we recruit and frankly I'm glad.
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Really? I was under the impression he's a senior now.....unless he isn't on pace to graduate. I guess I don't really know for sure....just figured he would be graduating. I don't think I'd be glad if the staff felt obligated somehow to save a scholarship for a player that has graduated. I'd be even more disappointed if they didn't have other players lined up for the available scholarships. It's time to move along and get some players here that can contribute in the conference season.
 
shaunguth said:
Really? I was under the impression he's a senior now.....unless he isn't on pace to graduate. I guess I don't really know for sure....just figured he would be graduating. I don't think I'd be glad if the staff felt obligated somehow to save a scholarship for a player that has graduated. I'd be even more disappointed if they didn't have other players lined up for the available scholarships. It's time to move along and get some players here that can contribute in the conference season.
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The fact that Milos is still here says a lot.
I don't see how they don't welcome JP with open arms to continue playing. I think the staff loves this kid, as do a lot of BU fans. For all the commitment JP has put forth toward his team and has been a big part of this team since he put on a BU uniform, don't think it's right to let him go - no matter how poorly he plays, or how disgruntled we are at his lack of production, which is subjective among us fans.
 
LittleBrave said:
The fact that Milos is still here says a lot.
I don't see how they don't welcome JP with open arms to continue playing. I think the staff loves this kid, as do a lot of BU fans. For all the commitment JP has put forth toward his team and has been a big part of this team since he put on a BU uniform, don't think it's right to let him go - no matter how poorly he plays, or how disgruntled we are at his lack of production, which is subjective among us fans.
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Milos has not graduated.

Jordan should graduate this May. He could opt to go to Big State U in the MAC that has a graduate program of interest to him and play immediately in a MAC/OVC type scenario.
 
Here's my position on JP and it's quite simple. We need to recruit over him with one or both of the remaining rides. He stays but gets 8 to 9 minutes a game. I see no need to run him off with one yr. left.There are one or two other people that would serve us better by moving on than JP.Hope SS stays still think he can be of some help off the bench the next couple of years. If he or JP are starters next year we still will be fighting like h--l to stay out of thur. night.JMO and it doesn't mean much but it's how I see it.
 
wily coyote said:
Here's my position on JP and it's quite simple. We need to recruit over him with one or both of the remaining rides. He stays but gets 8 to 9 minutes a game. I see no need to run him off with one yr. left.There are one or two other people that would serve us better by moving on than JP.Hope SS stays still think he can be of some help off the bench the next couple of years. If he or JP are starters next year we still will be fighting like h--l to stay out of thur. night.JMO and it doesn't mean much but it's how I see it.
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I agree with you. The only way for any D1 program to improve and move higher in the conference and nationally is to constantly recruit, and even "recruit over" any existing player if you can land a player who makes you better.

We haven't done this lately as evidenced by the following-
We have only 6 players who average more than 16.5 minutes per game
There are only 6 players who average more than 4.4 ppg- the same 6
And there are only 6 players who average more than 1.4 rebounds per game- the same 6.

And 5 of those 6 players who lead this team in virtually every category are "left over" players who have been in the program for 3, 4, 6, 4, and 4 years. That is an average of over 4 years in the program for these 5 players. Hopefully this will start to change with next year's recruits and transfers.
 
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