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Help on the Way for the Bad Charging Calls

tornado

tornado

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I think we've had dozens of our own fans and posters who recognize how terrible some of the charging calls are in the Valley and elsewhere, especially under or near the basket.
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10892
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7056


well...help may be on the way.........beginning TODAY

at The NCAA Men??™s and Women??™s Basketball Rules Committee meeting in Phoenix, starting today........
the NCAA will explore the idea of the "arc" under the basket to help the officials, and eliminate the ridiculous charging calls that help defenses that are doing nothing but trying to slide in under a shooter trying to "draw" a Vandegarde, um I mean charging foul...
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=49469
 
I think an arc might help, but IMO the best way to stop all these charging calls is for the offensive player to be in control, jump stop, and go straight up.
 
I usually don"t like adopting rules from the NBA but this needs to get done because way too many times charging fouls are being called when a defensive player slides under the offensive player when he is about to make a layup, the rule says that the offensive player has to have room to land but it just seems like it is not called the correct way.
 
Rusty 54 said:
I think an arc might help, but IMO the best way to stop all these charging calls is for the offensive player to be in control, jump stop, and go straight up.
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Rusty I see your point but in a lot of cases the refs just blow it and by adding the arc then it will make defensive players really play D instead of relying on the whistle and or as some do act. This will help the flow of the game above all else and not leave it up to the refs to make a tough call.
 
real fan said:
I usually don"t like adopting rules from the NBA but this needs to get done because way too many times charging fouls are being called when a defensive player slides under the offensive player when he is about to make a layup, the rule says that the offensive player has to have room to land but it just seems like it is not called the correct way.
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Real fan, have to disagree with part of your answer. The rule does NOT say the offensive player has to have room to land. If the defensive player has the landing spot before the offensive player leaves the floor ,he does NOT have the right to run over the defensive player. The defensive player may only move one direction and that is straight backwards or hold his spot without moving to either side.
 
SFP said:
Rusty I see your point but in a lot of cases the refs just blow it and by adding the arc then it will make defensive players really play D instead of relying on the whistle and or as some do act. This will help the flow of the game above all else and not leave it up to the refs to make a tough call.
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A lot of times refs do blow the call. from what I see in the NBA, the arc doesnt really discourage drawing charges or make defenses actually defend, but just gives an area where a defensive player has to get his feet out of. In game 7 of the Bulls Celtics series Brad Miller leaned in when he was taking a shot and got a charging call. If he would have gone straight up, the defender didn't leave his feet and Miller would have had an easy bucket. If players went straight up instead of drawing contact or leaning in, there would be easy baskets for the offense and defenses would have to actually play D. Pretty much any college or pro player can jump and shoot over a defender planted on the ground trying to take a charge.
 
SFP said:
Rusty I see your point but in a lot of cases the refs just blow it and by adding the arc then it will make defensive players really play D instead of relying on the whistle and or as some do act. This will help the flow of the game above all else and not leave it up to the refs to make a tough call.
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I don't know sfp...it's still a judgement call....was he set or not. On bang bang plays it is the most difficult call to make. And many times if it's a team we are emotional about we want the call our way.

Adding the arc will help but I still would like to see player stop and shoot a short jumper. Guys can be in front of the arc and players taking off down the lane will still be a judgement call.

The reason we think there are so many bad charge calls is because players try to get all the way to the rim in the air much more than years ago...
 
I don't mind the charging call, even though IMO it's the easy way out for the official on usually such a close call. I just think they should count the basket if the shot happens to go in because that is an even tougher call.
 
did anyone watch the bulls game? how many terrible calls against the bulls were called charges. geez. Bulls gave that series away as well as refs making terrible calls (and noncalls like Rondos flagrant)

Im so mad
 
I would never want a Bradley player who has a clear path to the rim and a full head of steam attempt to jump stop, and then go straight up to try and avoid a charge. That's a bad basketball play, its hard to do, and could lead to serious knee injuries.

The jumpstop is probably good for rec league players who cant jump but not for the type of athlete playing at the MVC level. I hope Jim Les never teaches Chris Roberts, Taylor Brown, etc. to jump stop as opposed to exploding at the rim.
 
The NCAA has just issued its ruling...........

there will be NO arc in college basketball BUT.........
there will be a new rule that covers charging calls under the basket...
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=49707

"the committee instead decided to define the area under the basket and
prohibit a secondary defender from establishing guarding position in that area.
In the rules proposal, a secondary defender must establish position outside the
area from the front of the rim to the front of the backboard."

also a new ruling on who shoots the FT's if the fouled player is unable...
".. if a student-athlete is fouled (without the foul being flagrant or
intentional) and unable to attempt the free throws, the opposing coach will
choose the player to attempt the free throws from the four remaining players
on the court."


also.......points of emphasis.......
"The men’s committee focused on illegal contact around the basket
(charge/block/player control) and excessive swinging of the elbows as points
of emphasis. The men also identified as other major concerns three-second
violations, administration of a free throw (including disconcertion of the free
thrower) and traveling."
 
even more.........

now the NCAA has defined the "restricted area under basket"

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=49712

"(the rule)...prohibits a secondary defender from establishing a guarding
position in the area outside the front of the rim to the front of the backboard.
Committee members discussed the possibility of having institutions paint a
restricted-area arc in the lane, but after a lengthy conversation decided that
the defender must establish position outside the area from the front of the rim
to the front of the backboard to draw a charge/player-control foul."

so there is a defined area that a "secondary defender" cannot draw a charging foul...

a secondary defender is said to be any player who is not defending the player controlling the ball until he reaches that area.
The primary defender, who may move all the way to that area along with the offensive player, while defending the ball-handler, isn't covered by this rule.
 
Boy--the NCAA could save a lot of time and agony and just paint the darned semicircle on the floor and say you can't take a charge within that semicircle.

That's basically what the new long winded rule states. The NCAA can't make anything simple and they are so afraid that MAYBE someone else has a good idea they could use.

It's not like they would have to pay the NBA for use of a semicircle under the hoop. I doubt its been patented.
 
you know...that's exactly what I thought, too...
their description of the area is a little more vague but roughly the same area
 
maybe, but it appears now that there will be way more blocking and way less charging calls right near the hoop...
 
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