i also like that Les is using this as time to give DC some more playing time and a chance to play some fun games.
i'm sure he's taking the tournament seriously, but JL is using this as a "how's next year looking" experiment.
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I WAS for the CBI....
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i also like that Les is using this as time to give DC some more playing time and a chance to play some fun games.
i'm sure he's taking the tournament seriously, but JL is using this as a "how's next year looking" experiment.
BUBraves06
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, I'm glad DC is getting more minutes and seems to be improving, but if that's the case, why isn't Tyrone getting more/any minutes at all? Has the coaching staff given up on him ... ?
I have always said that this gives the coaches more time to coach our players for next year. Winning is a good thing and by even getting to the finals the guys who have to step up next year will know what it feels like. I'mwith you TAS and Scouterit's a positive experience all around.
On MS it's his temper! He needs to be able to control his emotions. I love his fire but he let's the other teams get into his head and from there on out he over plays himself out of the game. MS is best when he rebounds, set picks and rols to the basket to waits for DR to dish him a pass right next to the hoop.
i hope its not a give up situation.
but I dont know if he's going to be a 25 minute player next year.
probably just a 10 15 minute guy to give Sam a break here and there. my guess is JL knows what TCS is going to give him, and wants to give Sam more time as the player who will have the bulk of the minutes at the point.
My best guess would be Dodie starting at the point, which he did in the Big XII as a frosh. I think Sam will see similar, although slight increase, in playing time next year. That's not a knock at all either because his minutes were inflated this year with Ruffin out so much and TCS not ever getting into a rhythm. I think we will be pretty deep at G next year although a little small.
I don't know which half you are referring to, but there was never a time that the fouls were even, in either the 1st or 2nd half. In the 2nd half, I think Bradley had 9 fouls before Tulsa had their 2nd! And Tulsa was hand-checking, and playing aggressive around the basket, more so than BU was.
I was sitting courtside, and I saw the worst officiated game I have seen in many years. And although there were some bad calls againt TU, the majority of them went against Bradley. Jim Les was complaining all night, while Doug Wojcik had only a rare word for the refs.
Jerome Jordan is a fine player, but most of his offensive rebounds came from jumpingover a Bradley player's back. He's really good at that, and the BU player can't get to the rebound because Jordan's arm stops him from jumping. That is usually a foul, but it never was last night. Except for the one key rebound David Collins tried for, then it was a foul immediately.
I could poiny out a dozen more non-calls for TU, and ticky-tack calls against BU, but what good would it do. I was convinced midway through the game that this series was destined to go 3 games. I hope it does. I would like to see the CBI make money, just like they would.
And the NBA continuation foul call that gave TU a 3-point play at a crucial time when BU needed a stop, was easily the worst such call I have ever seen in college basketball. Is there anyone who has ever see a player fouled that far from the basket, then get a dribble and 2 steps before shooting and get a free throw, too?
By the was, is there some conspiracy against posting the simple box score? It is still nowhere to be found on the BU or TU website. And the CBI website doesn't even acknowledge the score.
http://tulsahurricane.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2007-2008/tlsm0331.html
Another thing I wondered, there was not a single other college basketball game Monday, so the CBI could have hired the best 3 referrees in the country, and got them for a bargain price since there was no oither work to be had anywhere. Yet they hired 3 undistinguished regional guys who have done mostly mid level games--
Mike Thibodeaux--
http://www.bbstate.com/officials.php?o=14
Thibodeaux never officiated a Bradley game all year, but he did Tulsa games, and, in fact, did the Conference USA league tournament!
Kelly Self
http://www.bbstate.com/officials.php?o=245
Self also never saw Bradley all year, but did several Tulsa games.
Bill Kennedy--
http://www.bbstate.com/officials.php?o=235
Kennedy never saw a Bradley game, and never did a game anywhere in Ilinois all year.
Now, I know some will say, "what does that prove?". But if an official gets work from one conference (CUSA) and not the other (MVC), I believe there could be a bias.
Anyway, I can't see any reason the CBI couldn't have hired better officials, with no question of loyalties, or familiarity with one team, especially since hundreds of them were sitting at home not working last night.
Mike Thibodeaux--
http://www.bbstate.com/officials.php?o=14
Thibodeaux never officiated a Bradley game all year, but he did Tulsa games, and, in fact, did the Conference USA league tournament!
Kelly Self
http://www.bbstate.com/officials.php?o=245
Self also never saw Bradley all year, but did several Tulsa games.
Bill Kennedy--
http://www.bbstate.com/officials.php?o=235
Kennedy never saw a Bradley game, and never did a game anywhere in Ilinois all year.
Now, I know some will say, "what does that prove?". But if an official gets work from one conference (CUSA) and not the other (MVC), I believe there could be a bias.
Anyway, I can't see any reason the CBI couldn't have hired better officials, with no question of loyalties, or familiarity with one team, especially since hundreds of them were sitting at home not working last night.
Well said DC...others are correct also that BU needed to rebound and shoot better and that blaming the refs is really a tough sell but you gotta call em as you see em.
Personally I was sold on the AW foul. If ANYONE watches that and see how the ref "struggles" to call AW you knew what was going on. Andrew got liteally decked. The refs INSTINCT caused him to hesitate and THINK about the call. He wanted to call the charge for the guy throwing an elbow directly into AW's chest but then VERY slowly pointed at AW who was sprawled out on the floor.
When they made the call then showed the replay BWW went nuts. I would have liked to hear the announcers.
The announcers didn't say much of anything dogs...I forget who else was there with AW but they could have easily called a foul on them as they were reaching in....we didn't help ourselves much during the game with poor shooting, poor ft shooting, and poor rebounding....like I said in another thread the refs helped us by calling fouls since TU was shooting so bad
tornado
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stop it....nobody yet has blamed the loss on the refs......
but they were PART OF THE GAME and so it is a topic that can fairly be discussed.
They were bad.......
even the TU fans know that the continuation call was bogus, but the calls consistently favored TU the whole game.
Hey...it happens on the road, so we should have adjusted and compensated.
Slo-mo replay consistently showed elbows, forearms, and hip checks against BU that were NOT called, but ticky tack and minimal contact, and even the TU guy's elbow into Andrew Warren's jaw, were called as fouls against BU.
TheAsianSensation
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I'm very curious as to see what everyone will think of this season when it's over.
BUBraves06
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I'm not saying they weren't bad, they were. I just think we did a lot of other things wrong and a few calls here or there were way down on the list of reasons why we lost this game. And no, I guess no one came out and said that they BLAME the officials ver batem but are you serious? It's been said/insinuated all over the board.
I noticed that the fould were24-18 in favor of TU..Probably at least 3 were toward the end when we were getting back in the game...and with TU getting 18 offensive rebounds its easy to see where they came from.
We actually should feel pretty good about playing TU home or away..overall I think we are clearly the better team...I think we win the next two.
We actually should feel pretty good about playing TU home or away..overall I think we are clearly the better team...I think we win the next two.
I was never or am a fan of CBI...but it's there for this year so it's still good for us. I don't think it's a negative...and while it would be nice to win it....I wouldn't make it to be anything more than it really is
it's boogie time
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When they showed that NBA continuation 3 point play, many people at my house started talking about how this is going to three games.
I have a feeling that Tulsa's big guys are going to be on the bench a lot in Peoria. Just a hunch.
I have a feeling that Tulsa's big guys are going to be on the bench a lot in Peoria. Just a hunch.
I agree that they didn't meet expectations, but better to win this thing than not.
Box score from Bradley's website:
http://www.bubraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=19332&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=1425749
In the first half, BU had 8 fouls to Tulsa's 4. Tulsa was then called for a flury of fouls to even things up. In the second half fouls were fairly even, Bradley was in the bonus before Tulsa was but, of course, picked up a few fouls down the stretch as the game was winding down.
I won't bother arguing which way the officiating was the "baddest" because clearly we have different opinions. But there was certainly times when calls were held and times when touch calls were made against Bradley - I won't deny that.
I always try to keep in mind that I'm usually watching for my team to get screwed, not so much paying attention to see if yours does (did).
http://www.bubraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=19332&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=1425749
In the first half, BU had 8 fouls to Tulsa's 4. Tulsa was then called for a flury of fouls to even things up. In the second half fouls were fairly even, Bradley was in the bonus before Tulsa was but, of course, picked up a few fouls down the stretch as the game was winding down.
I won't bother arguing which way the officiating was the "baddest" because clearly we have different opinions. But there was certainly times when calls were held and times when touch calls were made against Bradley - I won't deny that.
I always try to keep in mind that I'm usually watching for my team to get screwed, not so much paying attention to see if yours does (did).
tornado
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(per the play by play log)
The very first foul was on Matt Salley (16:35), then the next was on Reese (16:11) and that's the last time the foul count was anywhere near even.
The next six fouls were on BU putting Tulsa into the bonus for nearly half the opening period, and sending several BU players to the bench with the early fouls, and hampering the way BU could play defense without getting whistled. Anyone who has played or coached knows full well all it takes is a couple calls to ruin the entire game plan by signalling the refs weren't going to let BU get away with the same stuff TU was doing, and they allowed Jordan to use the "Shaq-move" where he solidly bumps repeatedly into the defender, backing in close, and gets away with it while the defender gets called for the foul.
Then Tulsa was in the Double Bonus (with 10 fouls on BU) for nearly the final 5 minutes of the 1st half while BU was still two Tulsa fouls away from even being in the single (1-and-1) bonus.
AND......Tulsa was already 7 for 12 before Bradley even stepped to the FT line at 5:45 in the first half,
and Tulsa was 9-18 at the same time BU had shot only 2 FT's.
So over the first 18 minutes or so, the foul count was 10-4
and the FT discrepancy was 18 attempted vs. 2 attempted!!!
The final first half foul count was 10-6 with BU never getting into the bonus or shooting a 1-and-1.
The foul count in the 2nd half was 13 on BU - 12 on TU (actually there were 14 on BU if you count that FT's were shot on the BU technical but it didn't count as a personal since it was a bench "T") ,
but I admit a couple down the stretch were kinda intentional to stop the clock, but BU sure didn't get the benefit of getting into the bonus before TU.
But....... I don't just cite the foul discrepancy, I think the true factor and the one that peeved JL was the discrepancy in BU getting called for what TU did as well and didn't get called for.
The very first foul was on Matt Salley (16:35), then the next was on Reese (16:11) and that's the last time the foul count was anywhere near even.
The next six fouls were on BU putting Tulsa into the bonus for nearly half the opening period, and sending several BU players to the bench with the early fouls, and hampering the way BU could play defense without getting whistled. Anyone who has played or coached knows full well all it takes is a couple calls to ruin the entire game plan by signalling the refs weren't going to let BU get away with the same stuff TU was doing, and they allowed Jordan to use the "Shaq-move" where he solidly bumps repeatedly into the defender, backing in close, and gets away with it while the defender gets called for the foul.
Then Tulsa was in the Double Bonus (with 10 fouls on BU) for nearly the final 5 minutes of the 1st half while BU was still two Tulsa fouls away from even being in the single (1-and-1) bonus.
AND......Tulsa was already 7 for 12 before Bradley even stepped to the FT line at 5:45 in the first half,
and Tulsa was 9-18 at the same time BU had shot only 2 FT's.
So over the first 18 minutes or so, the foul count was 10-4
and the FT discrepancy was 18 attempted vs. 2 attempted!!!
The final first half foul count was 10-6 with BU never getting into the bonus or shooting a 1-and-1.
The foul count in the 2nd half was 13 on BU - 12 on TU (actually there were 14 on BU if you count that FT's were shot on the BU technical but it didn't count as a personal since it was a bench "T") ,
but I admit a couple down the stretch were kinda intentional to stop the clock, but BU sure didn't get the benefit of getting into the bonus before TU.
But....... I don't just cite the foul discrepancy, I think the true factor and the one that peeved JL was the discrepancy in BU getting called for what TU did as well and didn't get called for.