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"If Sampson ain't coaching, we ain't playing"

IlliBraves said:
Interesting list, DC. I think Xavier's coach would be a good fit. Not sure about other guys on the list. For one, I doubt that Stallings would ever come back, mainly because he's a Purdue guy. I'd like to think that Lowery would never go to IU and I hope he stays loyal to the Valley. I could kind of see Drew, because he did a good job at Valpo and he's an Indiana guy. But, I'm a little stricken by the lack of big names on the list, considering Indiana always touts themselves at a top 5 job.
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I'm rooting for Bruce Pearl Jam!

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tornado said:
In all fairness this was a closed meeting and nobody who was there is speaking on the record...so just maybe some of this is hearsay.
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This is not hearsay it is fact. Also, the press conference will announce that the University is putting Sampson on 10-day suspension. He can appeal to the university within these 10 days but after that he will be terminated. He has coached his last game and the players are all really mad about it. They feel like all the player meetings for input were just for show and they didn't really have a say in anything. They shouldn't have a say anyway but that's just how they feel right now.

The problem for IU in the near-term is that since all these player meetings have been taking place they haven't even had practice in the last 2 days.
 
The Kelvin Sampson watch ...

Update, 1:41 p.m. ET: Bloomington Herald-Times' blog reports that Sampson is out as coach at Indiana, but there is no report of whether he has resigned or been suspended.
 
J Money said:
tornado said:
In all fairness this was a closed meeting and nobody who was there is speaking on the record...so just maybe some of this is hearsay.


This is not hearsay it is fact.
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Fact is something that can be shown and documented....can you name the person who was in the closed meeting with the players who has given the quote about the players not playing?
Please...give me the link and the name of the player?
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then thanks............you have confirmed it is hearsay
I don't know if it is true or false, I just want to be careful and differentiate what is confirmed by first hand accounts, vs. what is being said by someone who heard someone who overheard a report of something.....which is what hearsay is.
 
Here is the latest quote after the players just got done meeting today:

"WTHR-13 asked White if the players were planning a boycott.
"The only thing I will say is, 'I will not say it's not true,'" the station quoted him (Hoosiers player DJ White) as saying."


"Asked if the players are still planning to walk out after today's meeting, the source said, "I know they were. I don't know if they are now."
(a "source different than DJ White")

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080222/SPORTS0601/802220520
 
I don't think the players are going to "boycott" the rest of the season. In speaking to one of the players (I guess this is hearsay so I shouldn't even type it) he said that DJ and Gordon just want to make their run in the tourney this year because it's their last year. I can't imagine that has changed.
 
Do we really know for sure...
there is such a thing as "Corporate Law" and "Contract Law", and there are statutes that cover it and there is some that's federal and most is state to state.
How do we really know what signed and LEGAL agreements that Kelvin Sampson has violated. If he has, then he may be held in violation and even in contempt if it goes that far. It is quite possible that some sugned and attested statements of his have sworn he is telling the truth to the investigators of Ice Miller and NCAA. If it found that he did indeed lie, then again, it could be taken to court and proven he violated contract law.
Therefore....to unequivocally state that he has done nothing "illegal" it at least irresponsible, and at most quite possibly dead wrong.
Remember the Enron guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract[/QUOTE]


Well some people come from a family of Doctors but I happen to come from a family of lawyers and having just consulted two of them I can say my intial statement that "nobody is going to jail" is 100% accurate. Thier is no similarity between this and Enron. Enron was a publicly traded company whos leaders manipulated the books to defraud people among other things. Sampson made more phone calls then he was supposed and only viloated NCAA rules. The NCAA is a private orgainization whos investgators have no legal authority. NCAA rules are not laws and therefore can carry no criminal penalty. In addtion thier really cant be a civil suit because a victum would have to prove damages. So in this case based on the advice of my attorney, I would say I am dead right.

Now the more interesting question is what sort of procedures indiana is going to have to do to fire sampson, as he is a state employee. They cant just fire him cause the NCAA says so. for an interesting similarity, look at Jerry Tarkanian
 
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J Money said:
I don't think the players are going to "boycott" the rest of the season. In speaking to one of the players (I guess this is hearsay so I shouldn't even type it) he said that DJ and Gordon just want to make their run in the tourney this year because it's their last year. I can't imagine that has changed.
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That made me chuckle cause this is Gordon's first, last and only year.
 
J Money said:
Here is another story about the players not wanting to play if Sampson is fired. Apparently JaMarcus Ellis is the one who got up and left during the meeting and the players say they will follow whatever DJ White does.


http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080222/SPORTS0601/802220520
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The quote from the above article that jumped out at me was:

"I talked to Jamarcus about four days ago. Jamarcus went there to play for coach Sampson. I think the players' point is, they went there to play for coach Sampson. It's not fair to the players. You can see if they do it at the end of the season, but it's not fair now. They want to play for him," Heiar said.

This is disturbing in that these kids don't distinguish between right and wrong behavior and only care about what's "fair" for them. Hopefully at some point they will get a better handle on the concept of "fair / not fair" and understand that are repercussions for people who cheat ... and the victims are the people who trusted them.

IU did not treat the players unfairly, KS is one who betrayed these players' trust by violating recruitment rules. The players should be upset with Sampson for not conducting himself in a way that he could fulfill his commitement to the players. IU made a huge mistake hiring this guy and Kelvin made a huge mistake by betraying his players' trust.
 
As we have seen, over 60 DI coaching changes take place every year,
and maybe it is not "fair" to the players, but it is life...get used to it.
If they want to blame somenoe, then lay the blame on the guy who broke the rules hundreds of times, and then lied about it, he's the one who brought the situtaion to this point.
I, for one, still don't understand why IU didn't just fire him last fall when all this stuff was known.
Why did it take the NCAA threatening to severely penalize the program before they acted.
To me it shows that winning came before ethics to those in charge there, to the fans, and even to the players who were free to go anywhere they wanted.


The latest...from 2:30PM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h2l1xBlbh0MmEdL06YtBSyxAbqZwD8UVIQMO0
 
Dallas Brave said:
The quote from the above article that jumped out at me was:

"I talked to Jamarcus about four days ago. Jamarcus went there to play for coach Sampson. I think the players' point is, they went there to play for coach Sampson. It's not fair to the players. You can see if they do it at the end of the season, but it's not fair now. They want to play for him," Heiar said.

This is disturbing in that these kids don't distinguish between right and wrong behavior and only care about what's "fair" for them. Hopefully at some point they will get a better handle on the concept of "fair / not fair" and understand that are repercussions for people who cheat ... and the victims are the people who trusted them.

IU did not treat the players unfairly, KS is one who betrayed these players' trust by violating recruitment rules. The players should be upset with Sampson for not conducting himself in a way that he could fulfill his commitement to the players. IU made a huge mistake hiring this guy and Kelvin made a huge mistake by betraying his players' trust.
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I agree, its amazing that a school like IU would hire a guy like Sampson. Im sure they would be happy to deal the problems Bobby Knight gave them over this crap
 
tornado said:
To me it shows that winning came before ethics to those in charge there, to the fans, and even to the players who were free to go anywhere they wanted.
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Does this go for hometown favorite Matt Roth? And don't tell me he didn't know, because I knew, and I wasn't considering going to this school, let alone playing for the very coach who was doing the cheating.
 
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