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Mascot change for BU considered again
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Dallas Brave
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I'm not sure what is so challenging about coming up with an appropriate mascot for Brave(s). OK, we can't use the variation of "Brave" that refers to a "North American Indian warror." Big Deal. I guess we can't wear black uniforms either. Take the etymology for the word Brave and you can come up with lots of possibilities. This is a university, right. Use your creativity students. The word brave existed long before Western Europeans started using it to describe North American Indian warriors. Just back up a bit in history and then you are even more traditional. 
Future Walk-On
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Is there still a paper edition and if so what is the cost for a 1/2 a page ad? This could be fun if we write it up correctly. I'm not in the school of shaming people unless they are in public office.:lol:
Personally I feel that while we could come up with something that embodies the "brave" spirit...I just don't think it'll ever have the effect that we would hope it would.
Then we just have another bobcat gaffe on our hands.
What purpose would a mascot serve?
Something fun for the kids? A giant plush thing to take pictures with? Will it bring more students to the game?
This season has proven that the only thing that'll get the crowd out of their seats to yell is winning. Mascots are expensive (if done right) just the heads of those suits cost thousands of dollars.
Wouldn't that money be better spent on some promotions that'll actually put butts in the arena? Besides, from what I heard from my brother the commission to research the idea of having a mascot was dropped.
Bradley doesn't need a gimmick - it needs to continue to win.
Then we just have another bobcat gaffe on our hands.
What purpose would a mascot serve?
Something fun for the kids? A giant plush thing to take pictures with? Will it bring more students to the game?
This season has proven that the only thing that'll get the crowd out of their seats to yell is winning. Mascots are expensive (if done right) just the heads of those suits cost thousands of dollars.
Wouldn't that money be better spent on some promotions that'll actually put butts in the arena? Besides, from what I heard from my brother the commission to research the idea of having a mascot was dropped.
Bradley doesn't need a gimmick - it needs to continue to win.
ChewaBrave
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Before anyone goes on targeting the Student President, it should be noted that from my observations, this is an act by the student government. A lot of these type of things are initiated by students in committees that are at least one officer removed from the president. The Committees are open to the public not just senate members, and essentially the committees work on what they feel is important or what they would like to accomplish (amongst some more standardized fare). Once something like this takes to the floor, it is then bought up in assembly and passed or failed. The student body president is more of a figure head for dealing with the administration, as opposed to any real legislative originator.
Lastly, I can also say during my stay in the Senate (several years ago) the initial "search for a new mascot" was brought up in committee due to students asking about it in dorm meetings, or referencing when speaking to their senators. it isn't necessarily outside the realm of possibility that this same situation has occurred in this instance.
Lastly, I can also say during my stay in the Senate (several years ago) the initial "search for a new mascot" was brought up in committee due to students asking about it in dorm meetings, or referencing when speaking to their senators. it isn't necessarily outside the realm of possibility that this same situation has occurred in this instance.
Bradleyguy10
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Just a question but why doesn't the student section do any cheers like the atlanta braves..you know with the tomahawk hand thing. Would that violate our mascot probation or something?
Yes it would, anything to do with an Indian reference is out and that is why the Chiefs club name was changed to the Braves club.
I am an Atlanta Braves fan so I wish the BU fans could do the Tomahawk chop like FSU also does but then FSU paid the Seminoles off to go along with them.
ImAStowellMan
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You hit this right on the head. I really think this started with people getting upset with the caricatures of their culture like SFP said in his response. But then, once they had gotten those changed, it only makes it easier to go after anything that even has a hint of racial context. This could be just as much of a case of attention-seeking as anything.
ChewaBrave
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You kind of need to remember that for some Native Americans, what is there to be proud of? In some cases, the remaining tribes in the US live almost as separatists - in diminished numbers, in substantial poverty, under-represented, and isolated to land that may or may not be their actual homeland. I mean in our relatively short history with Native Americans, there isn't a lot of reason for them to be super pro-US.
That having been said, it doesn't represent the entirety of the Native American population, nor does it represent all Native American's relationship with the United States. But when people start suing, things heat up pretty quick, and that is what largely this whole mascot business is about.
Furthermore, this board brings up political correctness quite often (the threads are generally deleted when they heat up, which s fair), and while i agree that we often see stories about hyper-PC situations that are ridiculous, the Constitution of this country that we also reference form time to time, was designed to protect the minorities. So sure hyper-pc can get pretty silly, but at the end of the day, this is another one of those things that was written into the fabric of our country.
On a more personal note, my father and uncles were all Alumni of Notre Dame, and I always kind of wondered why no one ever brought up "The fighting Irish", with the something of a bar brawl mentality it could bring up.
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That having been said, it doesn't represent the entirety of the Native American population, nor does it represent all Native American's relationship with the United States. But when people start suing, things heat up pretty quick, and that is what largely this whole mascot business is about.
Furthermore, this board brings up political correctness quite often (the threads are generally deleted when they heat up, which s fair), and while i agree that we often see stories about hyper-PC situations that are ridiculous, the Constitution of this country that we also reference form time to time, was designed to protect the minorities. So sure hyper-pc can get pretty silly, but at the end of the day, this is another one of those things that was written into the fabric of our country.
On a more personal note, my father and uncles were all Alumni of Notre Dame, and I always kind of wondered why no one ever brought up "The fighting Irish", with the something of a bar brawl mentality it could bring up.
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ChewaBrave
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haha, I suppose there is always that. Sad day when that is what your culture has been reduced too.
As a red headed Irish American I can say I'm deeply offended. Oh wait, no I'm not. It does me no harm and reflects some stereotypes I already mock myself for. It's a muddy issue for sure, and while there are cases that are clearly wrong (Washington Redskins), the issue itself has been pushed well beyond any reasonable level and represent out of control PCness and all of the tyranny that gets you. The ND logo as is portraying a very stereotyped redheaded Irishman looking for a fight is fine by me... The same logo incorporating a bottle of whiskey would OTOH be over the line. The thing is that the history of many of these Indian related mascots is that they WERE mocking even if they fall into the honoring bucket in todays environment. My issue with that is if perceptions and intents of these mascots haw changed then why is the history of the mascot relevant?
I grew up with a family that were direct descendants of "Sitting Bull", and were very proud of their ancestral past. To say that casinos and $$$$$ is what is to be proud of is dismissing a group, only through the eyes of discriminatory western centric eyes. There are area in which we all need to be sensitive about. I for one find the Native American's balance approach of nature quite advanced compared to today's view of raping our planet of all resources at any cost.
ChewaBrave
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Hehe i don't disagree - as a life long fan of Notre Dame, and a man of Irish heritage it doesn't bother me - but on the same token I know several Native Americans that aren't bothered by the "indian" mascots used all over. It really only takes a few, I'm just surprised it has never come up. Just thought it was an intriguing observation.
ChewaBrave
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No, I'm totally with you. I actually bring it up every time someone argues "against" Bradley's use of the name Braves. My suspicion (I don't have the data to back it up, admittedly) is that you're right-- most Native Americans don't care much, but a few do. The other thing I suspect, but don't know, is that most of the "movement's" membership is not of Native American descent, and just want something to believe in and/or get attention for. I think it's a bit of a tragedy that what they accomplished was to mess with programs like Bradley, while the Redskins name still persists in Washington.
ChewaBrave
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Yeah the Redskins situation is kind of bizarre on both sides. The court originally rules in favor of the Native Americans in saying that they are right to be offended by the symbol, and it should be done away with - but then during appeals it is decided that the Native Americans were not prompt enough in vocalizing their offense taken due to the Redskins symbol - which implies some kind of statute of limitations on being offended, which is kind of odd.