New Foul Rule

[wily coyote]

What does everyone think in regards to the new foul rule we saw last night when DD was injured. My personnel feelings are it stinks and should be a one year and done rule. The rules committee must have been in cocktail hour when they came up with that . I think it is very degrading to let the visiting coach chose who shots the free throws. I saw nothing wrong with the old rule. The sub who comes in for the injured played must shot the free throws. Alot of people on this board are to young to remember when a player had to raise his hand after commiting a foul. The rules committee felt that was degrading to make a player stand in front of the crowds and raise his hand, so that was abolished. In my opinion this may be worse and needs to go. Chico I bet you remember the raising of a hand after a foul. Enough b__ching but it needs to go.

 

[lefty]

What does everyone think in regards to the new foul rule we saw last night when DD was injured. My personnel feelings are it stinks and should be a one year and done rule. The rules committee must have been in cocktail hour when they came up with that . I think it is very degrading to let the visiting coach chose who shots the free throws. I saw nothing wrong with the old rule. The sub who comes in for the injured played must shot the free throws. Alot of people on this board are to young to remember when a player had to raise his hand after commiting a foul. The rules committee felt that was degrading to make a player stand in front of the crowds and raise his hand, so that was abolished. In my opinion this may be worse and needs to go. Chico I bet you remember the raising of a hand after a foul. Enough b__ching but it needs to go.

I remember raising the hand....heck if you didn't soo enough some refs would give you a T becuase they thought you were protesting the call...they would stare at you until you did.

I guess I'll need to see this for awhile to reserve judgement...the confusion yesterday came for who was in and who was checking in. AT was at the table and EM went in for DD....I guess the coach can't choose EM but he could choose AT....

 

[Chico]

What does everyone think in regards to the new foul rule we saw last night when DD was injured. My personnel feelings are it stinks and should be a one year and done rule. The rules committee must have been in cocktail hour when they came up with that . I think it is very degrading to let the visiting coach chose who shots the free throws. I saw nothing wrong with the old rule. The sub who comes in for the injured played must shot the free throws. Alot of people on this board are to young to remember when a player had to raise his hand after commiting a foul. The rules committee felt that was degrading to make a player stand in front of the crowds and raise his hand, so that was abolished. In my opinion this may be worse and needs to go. Chico I bet you remember the raising of a hand after a foul. Enough b__ching but it needs to go.

A really dumb rule. I do remember the raising of the hand, but honestly I don't remember seeing a game when the jump ball after every basket rule was in effect.

 

[Da Coach]

What was funny and took so much time last night-
After Dodie was taken to the locker room with his injury, the Idaho State coach was asked by the ref to choose a Bradley player to shoot the free throws. He was apparently not familiar with the new rule, and appeared confused and hesitated to commit to a choice. When he did take time to consult his assistants, who looked at some statistics pages, he initially chose Eddren McCain. As the referees escorted Eddren to the foul line, Jim Les pointed out to them that Eddren was the player who subbed in for the injured Dodie Dunson. The rule states that the substitute free thrower must be selected from the 4 remaining players on the floor when the injury occurred. So then it took more time for the ref to remove Eddren from the free throw line and go back down the court and re-consult with the Idaho State coach. Again, he consulted his assistants and reviewed the stats. Then they selected Anthony Thompson, who stepped to the line and made 1 of 2 free throws.

Personally, I don't like the rule, but I understand the obvious reason it was enacted. It is to try to prevent a team from faking an injury so that a poor free thrower can be removed and replaced by a much better one.
However, seeing the confusion and how long it delayed the game, I would rather go back to the old rule.

 

[tornado]

It was confusing for the refs and the Idaho State coach...
apparently only Coach Les knew that Eddren was the guy who subbed in and was not available for the other coach to select...
If it's a rule, then someone needs to send a memo to all those guys...easy to understand...read it and know it...

 

[wily coyote]

What was funny and took so much time last night-
After Dodie was taken to the locker room with his injury, the Idaho State coach was asked by the ref to choose a Bradley player to shoot the free throws. He was apparently not familiar with the new rule, and appeared confused and hesitated to commit to a choice. When he did take time to consult his assistants, who looked at some statistics pages, he initially chose Eddren McCain. As the referees escorted Eddren to the foul line, Jim Les pointed out to them that Eddren was the player who subbed in for the injured Dodie Dunson. The rule states that the substitute free thrower must be selected from the 4 remaining players on the floor when the injury occurred. So then it took more time for the ref to remove Eddren from the free throw line and go back down the court and re-consult with the Idaho State coach. Again, he consulted his assistants and reviewed the stats. Then they selected Anthony Thompson, who stepped to the line and made 1 of 2 free throws.

Personally, I don't like the rule, but I understand the obvious reason it was enacted. It is to try to prevent a team from faking an injury so that a poor free thrower can be removed and replaced by a much better one.
However, seeing the confusion and how long it delayed the game, I would rather go back to the old rule.

DC you are 100% correct in why the rule was changed but officials who are at that level are adept enough to know if someone is trying to take advantage of the rule to get a better shooter in the game. I saw a HS game once where the official would not let a coach sub for a player who was hit in the privates. This kid was hurting and also was a very poor free thrower. I'm not saying that it was a good decision by the official to make a judgement as to wether a player can continue on if there is a possibility someone is badly hurt but in DD's case it was pretty obivious he was . I don't think officials should be doctors but coaches should be honest enough not to take advantage of the rule. Maybe therein lies the problem. There probably are some who would take advanage and not feel guilty at all. I feel confident JL would not be in that group but I can think of some who would.

 

[Guinness]

Reminds me of the designated hitter rule for some reason. BOTH need to go.

 

[thefish7]

The cynic in me says as much as the old rule allowed someone to potentially take advantage, the new rule gives a unscrupulous coach an opportunity to try to hurt someone and then select the free thrower with the worst percentage to take the shots.

 

[wily coyote]

The cynic in me says as much as the old rule allowed someone to potentially take advantage, the new rule gives a unscrupulous coach an opportunity to try to hurt someone and then select the free thrower with the worst percentage to take the shots.

I had not thought of this senerio, but it very well could happen. Good point fish. There probably are some coaches who have thought of this opportunity. As I have stated , I still oppose this rule because it is an embarassment to the kid when the PA person makes an announcement that coach X chooses player B to shoot the free throws.

 

[DUBrave5]

To me the funniest part was when one of their assistant coaches came to the water cooler and looked at the student section and was like well that took long enough, only to have the refs call the head coach back because they still hadn't figured it out.

This rule needs to go. This day and age the rule makers for all sports are looking to make the games faster and more higher scoring, this rule obviously only slowed it down and it isn't even a hard rule to understand.

 

[Majik45]

I personally like the rule on initial thought. First off, it's not very often that a player gets hurt so badly that he cannot take free throws so it won't come into play very often. The real reason I like it, is that Coach Les could have subbed in Sam Maniscalco to shoot the 2 free throws as he is our best shooter, then sub him right out after he makes both. You could do this with someone like Matt Roth of Indiana who is a great shooter and get an automatic 2 points and then not have him even play a minute of the game.

 

[tornado]

simply put, the new rule does allow the team who commits the violation to gain from the outcome

 

[it's boogie time]

It reminded me of when Rodney Dangerfield injuried his arm and they had to decided who would be his replacement. Judge Smails wanted Spalding, but Chevy Chase was able to choose his teammate. Of course, his replacement, Danny Noonan won the match for them.

I think the coach, BU in this example, should be able to choose the player from the four remaining players on the floor. In the past, I didn't like seeing the good free thrower come off the bench, knock down the free throws, and the hurt player return one possesion later.

 

[wily coyote]

It reminded me of when Rodney Dangerfield injuried his arm and they had to decided who would be his replacement. Judge Smails wanted Spalding, but Chevy Chase was able to choose his teammate. Of course, his replacement, Danny Noonan won the match for them.

I think the coach, BU in this example, should be able to choose the player from the four remaining players on the floor. In the past, I didn't like seeing the good free thrower come off the bench, knock down the free throws, and the hurt player return one possesion later.

I agree with you , choosing from the remaining four on the floor would be the best solution. BT maybe you should try to get on the rules committee. Yours makes more sense then any so far.

 

[PTownHawkeye]

It reminded me of when Rodney Dangerfield injuried his arm and they had to decided who would be his replacement. Judge Smails wanted Spalding, but Chevy Chase was able to choose his teammate. Of course, his replacement, Danny Noonan won the match for them.

I think the coach, BU in this example, should be able to choose the player from the four remaining players on the floor. In the past, I didn't like seeing the good free thrower come off the bench, knock down the free throws, and the hurt player return one possesion later.

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Post of the day!

 

[Disturbed]

I don't have a problem with the new rule. In fact, this situation comes up so rarely that I think everyone is overthinking this a little. I'm sure no one can tell me the last time this happened in a BU game. I know I can't.

 

[BuAlum03]

I think the new foul rule is a good thing. It's more likely a poor free throw shooter will fake a minor injury to let a better player shoot than a coach will order a hit on a guy. There's rules and codes of conduct in place to discourage the latter; but there's no penalty for the former.

DD isn't a fantastic free throw shooter to begin with, so it didn't really hurt us last night. Lord knows we are quickly proving ourselves a very poor free throw shooting team.

 

[Da Coach]

.... Lord knows we are quickly proving ourselves a very poor free throw shooting team.

I think it a bit premature to label this team a poor free throw shooting team.
Last season BU shot 72% on free throws, which is above average. The previous year BU was 74.4%. So far this season (2 games) Bradley is at 66.7% (34/51), but I am sure that will improve.

 

[BuAlum03]

DC, I hope it improves, but i said we "are proving ourselves" a poor free throw shooting team. If it doesn't improve, then we will have proven ourselves one.

I do think we're better than we have been the past 2 games. I think we shot really well against Lewis, so our guys are capable. But when a stiff like me can shoot 75% i expect guys who play on scholarship to shoot better than they have.

I remember several years ago we were a very good free throw shooting team, and coach said that we were using the ft line as a "weapon". I like that philosophy. You can put a lot of pressure on teams when they know you'll hurt them for fouling you.

 

[Dubl R 1]

The cynic in me says as much as the old rule allowed someone to potentially take advantage, the new rule gives a unscrupulous coach an opportunity to try to hurt someone and then select the free thrower with the worst percentage to take the shots.

That's the first thing that came to my mind when Herzog explained the rule Fish.