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Oakland files formal protest with CIT officials

Just saw this on the Oakland board. Kampe is only 25 years old. He'll learn that there is nothing that can be done in a situation like this. This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time a team loses a game like this. Heartbreaking and devestating, yes! But we've been on that end many times too.
 
I saw the WEEK news video 4 times at least with the last one in slo-mo and it appeared it was 2 steps and he chucked it up. I wish they would have kept the camera on the celebration a little longer. That was some shot!
 
Bravesfan said:
Just saw this on the Oakland board. Kampe is only 25 years old. He'll learn that there is nothing that can be done in a situation like this. This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time a team loses a game like this. Heartbreaking and devestating, yes! But we've been on that end many times too.
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I think you missread it. He has coached at Oakland for 25 years....he's 53....and he's doing everything for his kids. I don't have a problem with that.
 
He may well have been the most agitated and hot-tempered coach I've ever seen at Carver. He was really unfair to his players..
 
Is the rule after picking up the dribble two steps are allowed and the ball has to be shot before the third step lands?

Don't players frequently take three steps in the NBA?

Can somebody clarify? (I know I should be embarassed for asking)

I watched the video on TV many times and the shot looked good. If there was a question in my mind it might be did the clock start on time and did CR shoot it on time?
 
2bradleyfans said:
Is the rule after picking up the dribble two steps are allowed and the ball has to be shot before the third step lands?

Don't players frequently take three steps in the NBA?

Can somebody clarify? (I know I should be embarassed for asking)

I watched the video on TV many times and the shot looked good. If there was a question in my mind it might be did the clock start on time and did CR shoot it on time?
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You are allowed One and one half steps. To make it easy it means you can take one step and when your second foot touches ground you have traveled. When your second foot is in the air, that is your half step until it touches the floor. Don't think that was an issues last night. I think the officials were checking to see if it left CR's hand before the horn. Lets get one tomorrow night. Go BU
 
lefty said:
I think you missread it. He has coached at Oakland for 25 years....he's 53....and he's doing everything for his kids. I don't have a problem with that.
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Yeah, I could have sworn somebody wrote 25 years old, but I probably misread it.

I have no problem with the protest. Anyone who loses a big game in that manner will be upset for quite awhile. But like I said, it usually does not manner in the long run as I have never seen a result overturned in any sport (outside of disqualification in the Olympics).
 
ifarania said:
He may well have been the most agitated and hot-tempered coach I've ever seen at Carver. He was really unfair to his players..
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Really? That's too bad. Of course we don't know how he is behind the scenes. Maybe he also gives a lot of encouragement, just that he gets wound up in game situations.

I thought Doug Wojcik of Tulsa got pretty animated toward his players during the CBI final here last year, especially during that early first half timeout. His face looked like he was ready to kill someone!

But of course nothing beats hot-tempered more than our good friends Larry Eucstacy and Bob "The General" Knight! :D
 
I am sorry, but if this game had been reversed, and Bradley lost on such a shot, and Jim Les announced he was filing a protest, I am certain he would be assailed here by many posters.
There is exactly 0% chance this outcome will be overturned, so he comes out of this looking like it is a futile effort to save face, and a massive bunch of sour grapes.
I feel a bit sorry for Kampe and the Oakland kids for how they lost to Bradley, and their previous loss to No. Dakota State, but the coach should have held his protest, and moved on. It does nothing for his kids.
Just my opinion.

By the way, I have watched the end of the game dozens of times, and there was absolutely nothing irregular or wrong with the clock management, or the officials decision. It was a legal, good shot, albeit an unlikely one.
 
I don't disagree with you there DC. All I'm saying is that is his prerogative so let him do it. It doesn't really hurt anything. Nothing will become of it and it will be forgotten.
 
tornado said:
the rule allows a player to plant both feet then choose one as a pivot foot, then can jump from that position but cannot then establilsh another pivot...

thus if airborne he can get the equivalent of a step and a half, but if catches the ball with both feet on the floor, he can only move one of them thus giving him only a single step.
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Close T but I think you need to check the rule when a player catches the ball with both feet planted. The first foot he picks up, the opposite foot becomes the pivot foot. So he is still allowed to plant his first foot and that becomes his first step. The other foot may come off the floor but can't return to the floor unless the player has passed the ball or shot it. Very confusing but easy to determine when seeing it. If a player catches a ball and lands on one foot that foot becomes his pivot foot and he may step and land the other foot but the foot he landed on to begin with may not touch again unless he has passed or shot the ball.
 
I don't begrudge the Oakland coach for filing a formal protest. I imagine most coaches would do the same in similar situations.
 
I agree with Da Coach completely on this one. To start with even if what Coach Kampe said were true, even if the officials completely blew it, it wouldn't change a thing. You can find some point in every game that's played where a call is blown but that's the breaks.

Still, I would at least be sympathetic if there were any basis, but what he said was completely untrue. I also watched the end a dozen times and even with the crude video on YouTube I was easily able to pause the video at :44 before Roberts had the ball and pause it again at :45 with the ball half way to the basket. Even just eyeing it live I think a person with a decent internal clock could see he had the ball less than a second, and I suspect if you had a good video you would find the clock keeper was extremely accurate and it was very close to 0.7 second. And as for the traveling allegations, looking at his feet the suggestion that he took three steps is just absurd--unless the coach is counting the steps he took before he had the ball didn't count.

I'm all for a coach standing up for his team if he has a real gripe, but if Jim Les made a protest under similar circumstances I would worry about what he is teaching the team.


Da Coach said:
I am sorry, but if this game had been reversed, and Bradley lost on such a shot, and Jim Les announced he was filing a protest, I am certain he would be assailed here by many posters.
There is exactly 0% chance this outcome will be overturned, so he comes out of this looking like it is a futile effort to save face, and a massive bunch of sour grapes.
I feel a bit sorry for Kampe and the Oakland kids for how they lost to Bradley, and their previous loss to No. Dakota State, but the coach should have held his protest, and moved on. It does nothing for his kids.
Just my opinion.

By the way, I have watched the end of the game dozens of times, and there was absolutely nothing irregular or wrong with the clock management, or the officials decision. It was a legal, good shot, albeit an unlikely one.
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ifarania said:
He may well have been the most agitated and hot-tempered coach I've ever seen at Carver. He was really unfair to his players..
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I coulda sworn there was a timeout when I heard him screaming at his players and (I could be wrong, but) I thought I heard the F-bomb once or twice. It was when they were heading into their huddle and hadn't gotten close to their bench yet and so it was closer to where DR and KW sit. Maybe they heard him saying Yuck about their Luck instead of something else I thought I mighta heard.
 
MacabreMob said:
I coulda sworn there was a timeout when I heard him screaming at his players and (I could be wrong, but) I thought I heard the F-bomb once or twice. It was when they were heading into their huddle and hadn't gotten close to their bench yet and so it was closer to where DR and KW sit. Maybe they heard him saying Yuck about their Luck instead of something else I thought I mighta heard.
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You heard right, there was an f-bomb in there. I heard it too.
 
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