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OT: Notre Dame-Bama

Anyone know any good places where the fans will be loud tonight around P-Town? Thanks!

If you are looking for places without an excess of alcohol, then Buffalo Wild Wings, Jillians, The Fieldhouse, Hooters, and Double A's Pizza should be good.
TNT's is good, but I have heard they get a little rowdier there.
 
Well, at least Notre Dame didn't lose a heartbreaker in the last second! But I guess we know which is the better team. Now watch the same bunch who did not think NIU deserved to be in the Orange Bowl complain about ND being in the BCS championship!
 
Well, at least Notre Dame didn't lose a heartbreaker in the last second! But I guess we know which is the better team. Now watch the same bunch who did not think NIU deserved to be in the Orange Bowl complain about ND being in the BCS championship!

BCS formula/system resulted in some real lousy match ups this year.
Sports-Reference.com calculates a great formula called Simple Ranking System (SRS) that better evaluates the diversity of schedules and eliminates the bias from the human polls. It also is predictive and not retroactive. Although the latest ranking isn't complete because BCS title game is still going on, it shows that ND didn't belong in the title game.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2012-ratings.html

Here is a better explanation that I attempted. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=37
 
BCS formula/system resulted in some real lousy match ups this year.
Sports-Reference.com calculates a great formula called Simple Ranking System (SRS) that better evaluates the diversity of schedules and eliminates the bias from the human polls. It also is predictive and not retroactive. Although the latest ranking isn't complete because BCS title game is still going on, it shows that ND didn't belong in the title game.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2012-ratings.html

Here is a better explanation that I attempted. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=37

Well, maybe yes, maybe no. But ND played a solid schedule and was undefeated. I know playing an SEC schedule was tougher, but I still think an undefeated season with a slightly lesser schedule is just about equal to a one loss season and a more difficult schedule. I would give the edge to the team undefeated. But you make a great case for other teams BUB.
 
An interesting sidelight to the game, that many of the males on this board probably already know about :) -
A few years ago, Brent Musberger once made a few comments about a pretty girl in the crowd at a Florida State game that the camera kept showing. Her name was Jenn Sterger, and she went on to become a model, and TV host solely from the attention she got from that game.

Last night Musberger and the ESPN cameras focused on the girlfriend of Alabama quarterback A.J. McCarron, Katherine Webb, who suddenly has become an internet sensation. She was not exactly an unknown, she is the reigning Miss Alabama USA. But anyone who is on Twitter would know all about her since her appearance on TV last night, as she has gotten more attention in the past few hours on Twitter than just about anyone ever has. She went from having just 562 followers on Twitter, to now having over 182,000 followers in just a few hours, thanks to ESPN and Musberger, even though she tweets very little.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-...aj-mccarrons-girlfriend-katherine-webb-2013-1

YouTube video of the ESPN event-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rPdjX4Kya7o

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameo...-moment-with-aj-mccarrons-girlfriend/1816283/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/07/aj-mccarrons-girlfriend-brent-musburger_n_2428660.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf-...ixation-sparks-internet-fervor-074845321.html
 
Well, at least Notre Dame didn't lose a heartbreaker in the last second! But I guess we know which is the better team. Now watch the same bunch who did not think NIU deserved to be in the Orange Bowl complain about ND being in the BCS championship![/quote]

and that would be me! :biggrin:

Let's get the college football playoff system going asap!!!
 
Well, at least Notre Dame didn't lose a heartbreaker in the last second! But I guess we know which is the better team. Now watch the same bunch who did not think NIU deserved to be in the Orange Bowl complain about ND being in the BCS championship![/quote]

and that would be me! :biggrin:

Let's get the college football playoff system going asap!!!

+1 Ben I also did not believe ND was one of the top 2 teams in the country. They got lucky in a few games (i.e. Pitt missed FG) and the Stanford game was a real joke. They benefited not on one but 3 plays, late hit to the QB, pass interference and the last play were all very questionable.

On NIU I had no idea and was glad to see them in there.
 
Obviously ND wasn't the #1 team in the country, but they were 12-0 and deserved to be in the championship game. If Ohio St was eligible they no doubt would have been playing ND instead of Alabama. Helps to not lose a game.
 
Well, at least Notre Dame didn't lose a heartbreaker in the last second! But I guess we know which is the better team. Now watch the same bunch who did not think NIU deserved to be in the Orange Bowl complain about ND being in the BCS championship![/quote]

and that would be me! :biggrin:

Let's get the college football playoff system going asap!!!

Yes, but the current system is the one the BCS contigent came up with in the first place. And it worked. NIU and ND did what they needed to do to make those two games. If any BCS fan has an issue with this, they should have come up with a different system in the first place.

And by the way, NIU seemed to play with better effort against Florida St. than ND did against Alabama. :)
 
+1 Ben I also did not believe ND was one of the top 2 teams in the country. They got lucky in a few games (i.e. Pitt missed FG) and the Stanford game was a real joke. They benefited not on one but 3 plays, late hit to the QB, pass interference and the last play were all very questionable.

On NIU I had no idea and was glad to see them in there.

Well ND got lucky, but they still won the games. It shouldn't matter how they won. I bet even Alabama had a game or two where the ball bounced in their direction, so to speak.
 
I'm heartbroken, I just hope Bama fans will be gracious. Anyway, I say that this was mostly a combination of Saban out-coaching ND and a "been there" attitude that not only the players had but Saban had. It was a lot easier for Saban to keep the players healthy and ready for a game over a month than Kelly, who hadn't really had to do that yet. He learned, and I think that if this game were played the week after Army-Navy it is a much better game. ND looked terrible, I've never seen them play so uninspired.
Tender, Strong, and True, forever and ever, I'll bleed Green, Gold, and Blue. (and Red and White ;) )
 
I'm heartbroken, I just hope Bama fans will be gracious. Anyway, I say that this was mostly a combination of Saban out-coaching ND and a "been there" attitude that not only the players had but Saban had. It was a lot easier for Saban to keep the players healthy and ready for a game over a month than Kelly, who hadn't really had to do that yet. He learned, and I think that if this game were played the week after Army-Navy it is a much better game. ND looked terrible, I've never seen them play so uninspired.
Tender, Strong, and True, forever and ever, I'll bleed Green, Gold, and Blue. (and Red and White ;) )

You have watched ND play a lot this year much more than I have, hard to believe they would not be inspired in a national championship game.

To beat Alabama, you have to win in the trenches, stop the run, and have a great QB play a great game. I don't think any of those things happened.
 
You have watched ND play a lot this year much more than I have, hard to believe they would not be inspired in a national championship game.

To beat Alabama, you have to win in the trenches, stop the run, and have a great QB play a great game. I don't think any of those things happened.

Exactly, that and McCarron was used a lot more than normal (for the few bama games I saw this year). The secondary was not ready and T'eo was a non-factor which I did not expect.
 
Obviously ND wasn't the #1 team in the country, but they were 12-0 and deserved to be in the championship game. If Ohio St was eligible they no doubt would have been playing ND instead of Alabama. Helps to not lose a game.

ND had a soft schedule especially compated to the SEC schools. Oregon, Texas A&M, and I'll even throw in Stanford were more deserving to play in the championship game. ND IMO was like an experienced mid-major team. They had the talent to get by the schedule they had, but once it came to playing an elite team.. Well.. we saw the results.

Lets get the playoffs in place! :-D
 
ND had a soft schedule especially compated to the SEC schools. Oregon, Texas A&M, and I'll even throw in Stanford were more deserving to play in the championship game. ND IMO was like an experienced mid-major team. They had the talent to get by the schedule they had, but once it came to playing an elite team.. Well.. we saw the results.

Lets get the playoffs in place! :-D

I didn't think they were that good either, but being a BCS team and going undefeated helps. Not the first time a team shouldn't have played in this game.
 
I didn't think they were that good either, but being a BCS team and going undefeated helps. Not the first time a team shouldn't have played in this game.

I agree and let's hope they expand the playoffs to 8 teams rather sooner then later.

The SEC will be really top heavy again next year with the potential of 5-6 teams in the top 10. The B1G will have 1 -2 teams there, Pac 12 will have 2 with ND taking a spot there's not to much room for anyone else.
 
ND had a soft schedule especially compated to the SEC schools. Oregon, Texas A&M, and I'll even throw in Stanford were more deserving to play in the championship game. ND IMO was like an experienced mid-major team. They had the talent to get by the schedule they had, but once it came to playing an elite team.. Well.. we saw the results.

Lets get the playoffs in place! :-D

I'm sick of that. You know every sports writer had ND as one of the toughest schedules in the country, and as they knocked teams down they became irrelevant. I'll give you the Aggies, maybe even a sub-par Stanford (their schedule was no better than Notre Dame's if you want to go there) and Oregon, don't get me started. You think that this game would have been any closer if Oregon had played? The PAC 12 is one of the worst conferences in College Football for SOS. You've got Cal, USC, Stanford, and MAYBE UCLA on the off year as powers. Oregon's style is like that of Michael Vick. Anyone can figure it out and when you do the team won't be able to play well anymore. Again, barring A&M, what "elite" team did Oregon and Stanford play? You want to go head to head on teams they played in common? Okay.

Oregon:
Common Opponents with ND:
USC and Stanford
ND-USC: W: 22-13
ORE-USC: W: 62-51 (Wasn't USC supposed to be an Elite Team at the start of this year? Where's the Oregon D against elite teams?)
ND-Stanford: W: 20-13 (OT)
ORE-Stanford: L: 14-17 (OT)
I don't care what you say about the final call of the Stanford-ND game, the game would have gone on whether thy scored or not. What did not change was that Oregon was handed its first loss of the season by the first potent defense that they played. They were held to FOURTEEN POINTS.

Stanford:
Common Opponents with ND (Including ND):
USC and Notre Dame
ND-USC: W: 22-13
Stanford-USC: W: 21-14
These two were really close and showed why the head to head with ND was so close and low scoring. Both teams are very similar. USC scored the first rushing touchdown of the year on Notre Dame's defense (showed how ND would slide to the National Championship joke defense they had).

ND-Stanford: 20-13 (OT)
Sure there may have been a blown call (I still hold that it was the RIGHT call) but even with that call, Notre Dame gets the ball back and no one knows what would have happened. This game gives legitimacy to the claim that Stanford was equal to Notre Dame and equally deserved a shot at the championship (Despite a bad night against Washington).

I'm not arguing Texas A&M for obvious reasons, I'm a fan myself (Still bleed Green and Gold) and was before Manziel as I can't STAND the Longhorns and I always looked forward to some Thanksgiving Night football.

One last word on the ND Schedule. They played 4 Ranked Opponents (10 MSU, 18 Michigan, 17 Stanford, and 8 Oklahoma). They went 4-0 in those games. Stanford played 5 going 6-1, more evidence of their closeness to ND (2 USC, overrated as we saw by the time they played un-ranked ND, 7 Notre Dame, 11 Oregon State, 2 Oregon, and 17 and 16 UCLA in back to back weeks). Oregon went 5-1, playing 2 bottom feeders in the top 25 (22 Arizona, 23 Washington, 17 USC on their way out, 13 Stanford, 15 Oregon State, and 5 Kansas State, overrated).

My point: While Notre Dame may not have been ready for the National Championship (They were at LEAST a year ahead of schedule), they were the best of those who could have gone. If you would substitute Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, any non SEC team, the game could have ended like this. If Alabama played LSU or Georgia, then and only then would there be little to no possibility of a blowout either way.

Oh, also, and I AM saving this article for next year to show to people like you who would say ND has an easy schedule. Have a look at what they say about 12 Notre Dame's schedule. Apparently Michigan, Michigan State, USC, Oklahoma, and Stanford are going to make MIRACULOUS turnarounds this year from their terrible seasons this year and they're suddenly "Daunting" opponents again. Give me a break. They were all good this year (barring USC) and they'll all be good again next year.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8778225/alabama-crimson-tide-headline-college-football-way-too-early-2013-top-25
 
This wouldn't even be a discussion if it weren't a loss to a weak pitt. ND was very lucky to escape that game, especially being a home game. I would even be willing to bet that Louisville would take ND down if they were to play. ND would also be a .500 if they were in the SEC.
 
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