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The Story Seems to Change

tornado

tornado

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No opinions here, just facts, quotes, and the exact statements (cut and
pasted) from the different media sources describing the woman's injury.

You decide.....but I ask, why do the different media sources, most of
whom interviewed either the alleged victim or the police themselves, come up
with widely differing descriptions of the alleged injuries?

Check the links yourself or use the easy hyperlinks I have provided.


2/23...WMBD...."use of hands and feet"

2/23...PJ Star... "alleged battery"

2/23...PJ Star.... "allegedly choked"

2/24...Springfield Journal Register...."A Peoria police spokesman said officers arrested Ruffin around 5:30 a.m. Saturday at his apartment on a misdemeanor domestic battery charge. The 23-year-old remains in Peoria County Jail awaiting a ruling on bond.
Police say a 20-year-old woman accused Ruffin of cutting her lip as he tried to get her out of his apartment."

2/24...WQAD....."20-year-old woman accused Daniel Ruffin of cutting her lip early yesterday morning"

2/24....PJS.... "busted lip" (in phone interview with alleged victim)

2/24...PJ Star...."he allegedly choked a 20-year-old female Bradley student...Alisha R. White, who also lives oncampus but in a separate residence from Ruffin, went to the hospital with visible injuries to her neck...She declined further comment but did say she was choked during the incident"

2/24....Daily Herald....."20-year-old woman accused Ruffin of cutting her lip as he tried to get her out of his apartment"

2/24 Associated Press...."20-year-old woman accused him of cutting her lip as he tried to get her to leave."

2/24.......WMBD...."(no mention of the injury at all)...She did not want her name released, but did have this to say: "I'm grateful it didn't turn out worse than it did. Females who go through this need to stick together during times like these."

2/25....Chicago Trib...."20-year-old woman accused him of cutting her lip as he tried to get her to leave"

2/25...... PJ Star ..."White claimed to have visible injuries on her neck"


OK....the only description of visible injuries on the neck come from the woman, not from hospital reports or from police reports.
No police source I have seen mentions choking or marks on her neck.
Numerous sources quote the police regarding the lip injury while the woman was being asked to leave the apartment....BUT......
oddly, the PJ Star has never once mentioned this scenario.

http://1470wmbd.com/Bradley-Star-Arrested-for-Domestic-Battery/1706312
http://www.pjstar.com/php/index.php...ketball_player_ruffin_suspended_indefinitely/
http://www.pjstar.com/php/index.php?/news/peoria_bradley_star_ruffin_allegedly_chokes_woman
http://www.sj-r.com/Sports/stories/25816.asp
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&scoring=n&q="daniel+ruffin"&sa=N&start=10
http://www.pjstar.com/stories/022408/TRI_BFSDUPHR.072.php
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=141231&src=289
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080224-bradley-daniel-ruffin,1,6747027.story
http://centralillinoisproud.com/content/fulltext/?sid=e1e299dac1565805913d476bd0420a0d&cid=6447
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/811007,CST-SPT-cage25.article
http://www.pjstar.com/stories/022508/BRA_BFSEAT6S.080.php
 
wow, that's a total misread of whatever is said....

Nothing in my post even hints at that, it is just a list of the media reports of the woman's injury.
 
A couple of other interesting media tidbits:

1. The Bloomington Pantagraph reported the incident in Sunday morning's sports section on the front page with a color picture of Daniel, yet the game must have been CANCELLED! ;(

If you read the "Missouri Valley Roundup," all Valley games were give a brief mention, except one...Bradley's victory over UWM!

2. I know that television media utilizes police "mugshots" when reporting on an incident. In most cases there is no other photo of the accused and it is the only image available for broadcast (this had just come after a report about the gunman who holed himself up in the home yesterday in Peoria and the use of the mugshot in that report).

That is obviously not the case with Daniel Ruffin. The number of images of him must rank in the thousands. Yet WEEK in their news broadcast last night at 10 felt the need to use the police photo of Daniel in their broadcast.

All of this while the details of the story are very vague and yet to be sorted out. IMO the choice was unecessary.
 
Then I guess I would question if the PJ Star has access to the police department's photo of Ruffin, then why do they never make even
one mention of the police departments description of the incident as seen in numerous other media outlets...
"Police say a 20-year-old woman accused Ruffin of cutting her lip as he tried to get her out of his apartment."

They are virtually the only news source covering this story that does not mention this statement from the police.
 
I don't disagree that the media reports of this story seemed to have changed by the hour...but unfortunately, I don't think that is going to help Daniel get back on the basketball court. The one thing that doesn't seem to have changed in this case is that Daniel's accuser still contends that the abusive action occurred. And as long as that part of the story doesn't change, I don't see how Ruff can be reinstated to play until this plays itself out in court.
 
I will be sure to mold my opinions to stay in line with the opinions of the moderators of this forum from now on.
 
ER3 said:
I don't disagree that the media reports of this story seemed to have changed by the hour...but unfortunately, I don't think that is going to help Daniel get back on the basketball court. The one thing that doesn't seem to have changed in this case is that Daniel's accuser still contends that the abusive action occurred. And as long as that part of the story doesn't change, I don't see how Ruff can be reinstated to play until this plays itself out in court.
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See, I disagree here. If Ruffin says he's innocent then I don't see any reason to keep him off the court until he's found guilty of something. Continuing to suspend him when there's some doubt as to his innocence, is the same thing as considering him guilty until proven innocent.
 
J Money said:
I will be sure to mold my opinions to stay in line with the opinions of the moderators of this forum from now on.
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I don't have the answer to your question, but there are five moderators and two people who function as administrators.
Any posts that are moderated are done so when a moderator believes something has crossed the line, and here are the rules.
The rules and the moderators' decisions are not negotiable.
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6689

The most common reasons are for posts that include personal info or attacks on players, coaches, or other posters, or for being argumentative, calling people names, or posting rumor or misinformation.
PM Da Coach and he likely will have more he can tell you.
 
Just a case of her being insulted and embarassed and wanting to get revenge. You trespass, I reserve the right to remove you.
 
Guinness said:
Just a case of her being insulted and embarassed and wanting to get revenge. You trespass, I reserve the right to remove you.
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You don't reserve the right to split someone's lip, however, in the process of removing someone from your place of residence.
 
First it was battery/hands and feet, then it was choking, now it is "busted lip"
but nobody has yet seen documentation of any injuries.
But lips get split by accident all the time, and nobody is liable.
 
ER3 said:
You don't reserve the right to split someone's lip, however, in the process of removing someone from your place of residence.
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Very true, ER3. Split lip, choked, use of hands and feet, whatever. Something allegedly happened that night.

Why the story continues to change is beyond me. I've never seen a story change so much in 48 hours. Maybe the other media outlets called the police for information instead of looking at the police report, meaning the PJS cited the report for its information and the other outlets just said "Police say..." I dunno.
 
tornado said:
First it was battery/hands and feet, then it was choking, now it is "busted lip"
but nobody has yet seen documentation of any injuries.
But lips get split by accident all the time, and nobody is liable.
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Because the person who gets their lip split doesn't go to the cops. Duh.
 
thefish7 said:
See, I disagree here. If Ruffin says he's innocent then I don't see any reason to keep him off the court until he's found guilty of something. Continuing to suspend him when there's some doubt as to his innocence, is the same thing as considering him guilty until proven innocent.
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Well, unfortunately there is more to this story than Ruffin's claims. Ruffin's accuser, a fellow BU student, claims he is not innocent.
I think it would be a very slippery slope for BU's position to be "our basketball player said nothing happened...so we're going to believe him and we have some games to win, so we're reinstating him"...I wish it were that simple, and I wish they would reinstate him...but I think that is a long shot. Just my opinion.
The University will take his story into account, they will take her story into account...and then I'm sure they will gather statements from every witness that was there when the incident occurred. If, in fact, these witnesses (and hopefully there are some witnesses that aren't directly connected to the BU basketball program) completely support Daniel's version of the events...then I don't see any reason that they can't use the whole "innocent until proven guilty" card and reinstate him. However, if they don't find evidence that supports Ruffin's story, I don't think there is any way that they can reinstate him.
The University suspended him when the incident occurred...so, at that point, I think they gave up their right to "assume his innocence and simply let him play until he is proven guilty"...The only way they can unsuspend him now, IMO, would be if they review the details of the incident and find that there is no reason to believe that he did anything wrong. There is not an option, IMO, for them to review the case and decide "well, we have evidence here that makes us believe that he could very well be guilty of assault in this case, but we're going to go ahead and let him play through it and let the courts decide things after the season is over."
 
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