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Wessler 12/30

When I think of "lieing" I see a person wanting to cheat or get out of something. People often lie because they are afraid of something or someone. We lie (yes we ALL lie) to hide something....we want to avoid the consequences the truth could bring.

Do those that put what JL said/did in the "he lied" category see anything above that would fit in this case?

Did anyone ever think he just didn't want to release info until he had a full report. I would offer JL simply did not want to offer information about DR to the public until he was absolutley certain he knew all the details.

Of course he could have said or presented it differently but he's answering these questions on the fly and unlike us often doesn't have time to think things through.

He was simply saying, IMO, I don't have all the facts (from the medical people) and so until I do nothing is ruled out.
 
dogsrus said:
When I think of "lieing" I see a person wanting to cheat or get out of something. People often lie because they are afraid of something or someone. We lie (yes we ALL lie) to hide something....we want to avoid the consequences the truth could bring.

Do those that put what JL said/did in the "he lied" category see anything above that would fit in this case?

Did anyone ever think he just didn't want to release info until he had a full report. I would offer JL simply did not want to offer information about DR to the public until he was absolutley certain he knew all the details.

Of course he could have said or presented it differently but he's answering these questions on the fly and unlike us often doesn't have time to think things through.

He was simply saying, IMO, I don't have all the facts (from the medical people) and so until I do nothing is ruled out.
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Spot on DRU.

Which brings me back to my question and request for closure from the 2-3 posters going after JL as if he were a felon.... You have your axe, you got it... now grind it... what do you want to freakin make of it. Let's hear it. Or then let it die - thanks for letting us all know JL lied.

Btw JL - you reading this .... you keep on leaving the media in the dark. Let them get their panties in a bunch over the small stuff.

Jeezle-Pete.
 
This is some serious s4!t

This is some serious s4!t

This whole "Les lied" thing is obviously some very serious stuff. I, for one, think the matter needs to be brought to the attention of President Glasser and AD Ken Cavenaugh.

Les should be publicly censured by The University and forced to apologize on the PA system before the next home game while wearing a pig nose, AND, he should be forced to kiss both Wessler's and Reynold's @ss at center court before tip-off.

If not, FIRE DA BUM!!!!!

;)
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Let's see, the very same reporters who claim Crouch said they knew for a fact on Thursday that Ruffin was having surgery and not going to be around for weeks (even though, of course, it has been established that Daniel Ruffin didn't even know this) are also the same ones who QUOTED Manual Cass as saying he had committed to Bradley when he had actually committed to a different school and who don't know what the definition of an offensive rebound is.
I see way too many inconsistencies in what's being reported, from a source that seems to have had inconsistencies before.
You can choose to believe what you want, but I believe the story is being reported wrong and then people are getting all bent out of shape because they believe the inaccuracy and conclude there must be someone lying.
 
Scouter said:
It's called "paraphrasing." Perhaps you've heard of it......
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ah yes....I have heard of it.....
Let me guess...........it comes from Journalism 101, and it is rule #1 and goes like this...
--"when trying to convey an idea, write down exactly what the person says, but
don't actually report what they say, make up something different and call it paraphrasing"

sure........I guess it all boils down to who you choose to believe...
a rant in the local paper or the head coach.....you took your pick so let me take mine.
I have plenty of reason to believe my pick is the more accurate.

and I still would love to see where you're quoting Les as saying "game time decision".
 
Average Joe said:
Let's see, the very same reporters who claim Crouch said they knew for a fact on Thursday that Ruffin was having surgery and not going to be around for weeks (even though, of course, it has been established that Daniel Ruffin didn't even know this) are also the same ones who QUOTED Manual Cass as saying he had committed to Bradley when he had actually committed to a different school and who don't know what the definition of an offensive rebound is.
I see way too many inconsistencies in what's being reported, from a source that seems to have had inconsistencies before.
You can choose to believe what you want, but I believe the story is being reported wrong and then people are getting all bent out of shape because they believe the inaccuracy and conclude there must be someone lying.
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Have a link to that?
 
Oh my god... We have a 5 page thread about one paragraph that was a hit piece from a whiney reporter from a crap newspaper...

I have to wonder if some posters are pjs employees, relatives of KW or even KW himself???? --or the posters have an axe to grind on JL and are just lookng to nitpic...

That would explain the naivete of a couple of posters on this thread.
 
Beninator said:
Oh my god... We have a 5 page thread about one paragraph that was a hit piece from a whiney reporter from a crap newspaper...

I have to wonder if some posters are pjs employees, relatives of KW or even KW himself???? --or the posters have an axe to grind on JL and are just lookng to nitpic...

That would explain the naivete of a couple of posters on this thread.
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there are several people that could have an axe to grind but I don't know if they are posters or not.
 
longtimelistener said:
Have a link to that?
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I can answer that, this one is a no-brainer...

read the release...

http://www.bubraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=25965&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=1356811

The doctor who performed the surgery on Daniel, had never examined him until Friday morning, AFTER WHICH, he then made the diagnosis and recommended the surgery.
I have a few friends in the medical profession, and I can state with some degree of certainty, that doctors don't make diagnoses and plan surgery on people who they have never met and have never even examined. If they did, then they'd be no more reliable and believable than reporters who say things on conjecture or speculation, or give paraphrases instead of facts and quotes.
So Ruffin and anyone else, could NOT have possibly known he was going to have surgery until after the exam on Friday.
Even Jeremy Crouch and Dave Reynolds could NOT have known Ruff was having surgery before the surgeon who did the operation could have even known, but I am never surprised what some gullible people will believe.
Or maybe there's a vast conspiracy going on to hide the facts from the local press...but if anyone has evidence that it was known on Thursday that DRuff was having surgery, then it is your turn to provide the link.
 
tornado said:
I can answer that, this one is a no-brainer...

read the release...

http://www.bubraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=25965&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=1356811

The doctor who performed the surgery on Daniel, had never examined him until Friday morning, AFTER WHICH, he then made the diagnosis and recommended the surgery.
I have a few friends in the medical profession, and I can state with some degree of certainty, that doctors don't make diagnoses and plan surgery on people who they have never met and have never even examined.
So Ruffin and anyone else, could NOT have possibly known he was going to have surgery until after the exam on Friday.
Even Jeremy Crouch and Dave Reynolds could NOT have known Ruff was having surgery before the surgeon who did the operation could have even known, but I am never surprised what some gullible people will believe.
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And telling the team they would be without DR for quite awhile doesn't mean JL knew DR was having sugery and that he would be out for quite some time. I think he just wanted the team to mentaly focus on being ready without him.
 
Beninator said:
Oh my god... We have a 5 page thread about one paragraph that was a hit piece from a whiney reporter from a crap newspaper...

I have to wonder if some posters are pjs employees, relatives of KW or even KW himself???? --or the posters have an axe to grind on JL and are just lookng to nitpic...

That would explain the naivete of a couple of posters on this thread.
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KW has always been hard on Les when the going gets tough, and is probably licking his chops at the recent setbacks. Get ready for some rough articles if things continue to decline.
 
tornado said:
I can answer that, this one is a no-brainer...

read the release...

http://www.bubraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=25965&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=1356811

The doctor who performed the surgery on Daniel, had never examined him until Friday morning, AFTER WHICH, he then made the diagnosis and recommended the surgery.
I have a few friends in the medical profession, and I can state with some degree of certainty, that doctors don't make diagnoses and plan surgery on people who they have never met and have never even examined. If they did, then they'd be no more reliable and believable than reporters who say things on conjecture or speculation, or give paraphrases instead of facts and quotes.
So Ruffin and anyone else, could NOT have possibly known he was going to have surgery until after the exam on Friday.
Even Jeremy Crouch and Dave Reynolds could NOT have known Ruff was having surgery before the surgeon who did the operation could have even known, but I am never surprised what some gullible people will believe.
Or maybe there's a vast conspiracy going on to hide the facts from the local press...but if anyone has evidence that it was known on Thursday that DRuff was having surgery, then it is your turn to provide the link.
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I really don't know why I'm still reading this but T...you also know that it's a possibilty that surgery was mentioned or recommended but that another opinion would be welcomed...and if what we think is confirmed then this specialist would do the surgery.
They may have not known 100% that Ruff was going to have surgery but they may have had a pretty good idea too and wanted it done there instead of here.

Now before you all go nuts conjecture here, I'm not saying this happened but it is entirely possible
 
lefty said:
I really don't know why I'm still reading this but T...you also know that it's a possibilty that surgery was mentioned or recommended but that another opinion would be welcomed...and if what we think is confirmed then this specialist would do the surgery.
They may have not known 100% that Ruff was going to have surgery but they may have had a pretty good idea too and wanted it done there instead of here.

Now before you all go nuts conjecture here, I'm not saying this happened but it is entirely possible
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Your still reading becuase its cold out and theres really not much better to do....:) well thats MY story and.....


Lefty....you're scenario is a plausible as anyone else's and to me THAT defines it all. Just like us not knowing much JL wanted to have ALL the facts before he released info. While JL might not have told what he probably realized and was fairly sure about to ME its a stretch to call it lieing.

Lieing suggest deceit with motive.....JL simply wanted to wait until he heard things directly from the trainer or Doctor and new with 100% reliability the info he released to the general public was accurate.

EVEN if his only reason was to have UNI second guessing thats not lieing to "hurt" anyone....its simply for competitive advantage purposes.
 
dogsrus said:
Your still reading becuase its cold out and theres really not much better to do....:) well thats MY story and.....


Lefty....you're scenario is a plausible as anyone else's and to me THAT defines it all. Just like us not knowing much JL wanted to have ALL the facts before he released info. While JL might not have told what he probably realized and was fairly sure about to ME its a stretch to call it lieing.

Lieing suggest deceit with motive.....JL simply wanted to wait until he heard things directly from the trainer or Doctor and new with 100% reliability the info he released to the general public was accurate.

EVEN if his only reason was to have UNI second guessing thats not lieing to "hurt" anyone....its simply for competitive advantage purposes.
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got no problem with all that dogs...like I said before some coaches would have handled it JL's way and others would have handled it differently.....

it's like some like Lexus vehicles(I don't know why) while others like Cadillacs...darn why does the icon go to the top? just pretend the smile is down here
 
No matter what Jim Les would have, could have, or should have said, I'm sure someone would have taken it the wrong way too. The bottom line is losing always makes it that much more difficult to let go of minute things that really don't make a hill of beans difference!!!!
 
buballer82 said:
No matter what Jim Les would have, could have, or should have said, I'm sure someone would have taken it the wrong way too. The bottom line is losing always makes it that much more difficult to let go of minute things that really don't make a hill of beans difference!!!!
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I agree
 
lefty said:
..darn why does the icon go to the top? just pretend the smile is down here
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Lefty:

Along top of page, left click once on "Quick Links", then click on "Edit Options. In new page, scroll to bottom and in the section titled "Miscellaneous Options" under "Message Editor Interface", select in the drop down box "Enhanced Interface".

This, I believe, will allow you to select from smilies in a box to the right of your message that will go directly into the text. (Along with other things like Fonts, Bold, Color of text, etc)
 
Again...lefty....just use the keys on the keyboard and type:

colon, right parenthesis, colon, right parenthesis, colon, right parenthesis (all upper case for the keys you type)


and this is what you see when it is posted...
:) :) :)


as I said earlier, I even talked with the team docs right BEFORE the game, and a couple of them were NOT even sure as of late Friday night, what Daniel Ruffin had done in New Jersey.
They had NOT gotten the report and were waiting for Ruff and Marcus Ohnemus to return so they could get the details.
For all they knew, he had only a diagnostic procedure, and not the full repair....so they were simply NOT willing to make a reckless statement without full understanding.
And yet there are apparently people at the PJS and even some on this board, who not only expect, but DEMAND that Jim Les must make such a statement, or they consider him to be lying.
Again, note the exact language Coach Les used...
"Les told a Journal Star reporter he probably wouldn't know Ruffin's status until Saturday. When pressed, the coach refused to rule out Ruffin as a possible participant in the game."

......so how is this a lie?...it fits precisely with every other statement that comes from Jim Les, BU, or the team doctors.

And to confirm it...even Dave Reynolds agrees totally in his column...
"as of late Friday afternoon, Ruffin's status was still uncertain for today's Missouri Valley Conference opener"
"he wasn't willing to count out Ruffin"
"I never rule out anything," Les said. "We're taking it one day at a time with Daniel."

seems everyone is saying the same thing, so I see no lies here at all.
 
This thread was like a accident where you just had to stare and look, now its nothing but hugs and kisses.... uggh it was fun while it lasted :) Leave it to Lefty and dogs to bring out the smiles :) and kisses :P
 
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