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All Valley Selections

Air Petey said:
OE got 1st team by NAME alone - not by numbers.

He was on the Par-A-Dice after the Bradley victory. Is that how he's going to make his millions?

More money then most of us...... Please!
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Oh lord if Aba Koita can get someone to pay him to play basketball I guarantee you someone will pay Osiris Eldridge to play and likely very well. How he spends that money thats up to him but he will get paid to play the game.
 
houstontxbrave said:
Oh lord if Aba Koita can get someone to pay him to play basketball I guarantee you someone will pay Osiris Eldridge to play and likely very well. How he spends that money thats up to him but he will get paid to play the game.
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The difference is that if Aba Koita was a US born American citizen, he would likely not have had a chance to play overseas for money.
The Euro teams have limits on how many Americans they can have, but no limit with citizens of other countries. Because he was a French citizen, Aba will always be able to play for money in France, and other European countries.
Remember that the only recent 2-time POY Darren Brooks was released by multiple teams in the lower levels in Europe. He wasn't good enough. Is OE?
 
Da Coach said:
Come on....when the critics take their shots at Bradley and Jim Les, it's always about "how many titles has he won?", or "1st place is all that counts", or "we don't care about NIT, CBI, CIT, or any other eieio tournaments"


So tell me what has Osiris ever won? How may NCAA games has he taken ISU to? I don't care about no "almosts".
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bingo -- ditto for P'Allen??
 
I just read that ISU was 2 & 3 in the 1st team votes. So my question earlier gets narrowed. If you have 2 of the best 3 players in the league.... how do you finish 3rd in the Valley? NICE coaching job!
 
I've never seen on court behavior out of OE that indicated an attitude problem. He's been a bit disappointing in his senior year but I would have LOVED to have him as a brave. P'allen otoh... No thanks
 
Da Coach said:
The difference is that if Aba Koita was a US born American citizen, he would likely not have had a chance to play overseas for money.
The Euro teams have limits on how many Americans they can have, but no limit with citizens of other countries. Because he was a French citizen, Aba will always be able to play for money in France, and other European countries.
Remember that the only recent 2-time POY Darren Brooks was released by multiple teams in the lower levels in Europe. He wasn't good enough. Is OE?
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Fine then I guess Koita was not a good example since he is French, even though it is still incredible someone in France would give him money to play basketball.

How about then Ill spin the dial and say James Gillingham, David Collins, Ed Cage. And yes OE is more then good enough to get paid to play. It would not surprise me in the least that he plays NBDL.
 
Cooksey or whoever....before you rip on a Bradley fan for not worshipping King O,
then explain to me why there's 10 times as much anti-Osiris sentiment over on your own Redbird board than there ever has been here...
I find it strange that so many people would post negatives about one of your best players ever....one guy was even anxious to see him graduate and be gone because he was so selfish it was ruining the rest of the team!!

in other words....there's a whole lot of ISU fans who have finally concluded that Osiris does indeed have enough negatives to offset some or most of his positives...

We have our whiners here too, but I can't recall ever seeing or hearing someone trash Hersey or AP at the end of their careers!
 
IMO, Osiris Eldridge = Phil Gilbert without a conscience.

In fact, PG's shooting percentages were better, and the following comparison suggests Gilbert may have been the better player.

Here are the numbers just for their senior seasons, and recall that Phillip Gilbert missed 10 games, and played his senior with a broken foot! He also played on a team with 2 other players who averaged more than 15 ppg (Sommerville and Gillingham).
In addition, Osiris Eldridge's stats this season are greatly inflated by playing such a weak non-conference schedule.

2009-10-Osiris Eldridge...33 minutes per game, 15.9 ppg (lead MVC), 4.0 rpg, 41.5% FG, 35.4% three point, 81% free throws, 2.5 apg, 1.3 steals per game.
Note that his numbers for MVC Conference games-only are much worse- 13.7 ppg (7th in the MVC) and 31.5% three point shooting percentage.
http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/ils.htm

2003-04-Phil Gilbert.......32 minutes per game, 16.0 ppg (lead MVC), 3.4 rpg, 41.8% FG, 37.4% three point, 83.5% free throws, 1.6 apg, 0.8 steals per game.
http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=19334&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=129390

Also, in his 4 seasons, Phil Gilbert lead Bradley to just as many MVC League titles, and MVC Tournament titles as Osiris Eldridge lead ISU to, and Gilbert played in just as many NCAA tournaments as Eldridge.
By comparison, Gilbert was every good an MVC player as OE, maybe better.
 
Forget the Maniscalco and DSE references for a minute...

I have an issue...


How come no one has talked about Chris Roberts not making the All-Defensive team:?::!:
 
Da Coach said:
IMO, Osiris Eldridge = Phil Gilbert without a conscience.

In fact, PG's shooting percentages were better, and the following comparison suggests Gilbert may have been the better player.

Here are the numbers just for their senior seasons, and recall that Phillip Gilbert missed 10 games, and played his senior with a broken foot! He also played on a team with 2 other players who averaged more than 15 ppg (Sommerville and Gillingham).
In addition, Osiris Eldridge's stats this season are greatly inflated by playing such a weak non-conference schedule.

2009-10-Osiris Eldridge...33 minutes per game, 15.9 ppg (lead MVC), 4.0 rpg, 41.5% FG, 35.4% three point, 81% free throws, 2.5 apg, 1.3 steals per game.
Note that his numbers for MVC Conference games-only are much worse- 13.7 ppg (7th in the MVC) and 31.5% three point shooting percentage.
http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/ils.htm

2003-04-Phil Gilbert.......32 minutes per game, 16.0 ppg (lead MVC), 3.4 rpg, 41.8% FG, 37.4% three point, 83.5% free throws, 1.6 apg, 0.8 steals per game.
http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=19334&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=129390

Also, in his 4 seasons, Phil Gilbert lead Bradley to just as many MVC League titles, and MVC Tournament titles as Osiris Eldridge lead ISU to, and Gilbert played in just as many NCAA tournaments as Eldridge.
By comparison, Gilbert was every good an MVC player as OE, maybe better.
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I agree, those players have very similar games. OE I think is a bit more athletic and explosive, but similar games nonetheless. Man I miss Phil Gilbert. That foot injury really ruined what was turning into one of the great careers at BU.
 
My two cents on Osiris--not that anyone cares.

I do think he has been a bit overrated during his time in B/N. It would pretty tough to have four years of him, and Odiakosa and never make an NCAA Tournament or win an MVC title. Those are the ultimate goals.

His substance never quite matched the hype. Yes, he has been a nice player with some decent numbers. But he never truly separated himself on a different level like the Korver's, Parker's, etc. did. He was just a good player in the MVC.

Now, Im not saying that is bad. I just always thought there would be more. I feel he has been very much a "paper tiger" on the basketball court. Outside of that--I have heard stories of people and ISU students who have interacted with him and had nothing but good things to say about him.

I generally stay away from the personal stuff. Most of us don't really know anything about these guys outside of superficial type stuff.
 
My point was to show that despite all the praise and accolades Osiris Eldridge gets, Bradley has had many players in their past, including players like Gilbert, Cellus, POB, and Gillingham, who will never be considered for retiring uniforms, who had numbers that compare with Osiris. I like OE, and wish him the best. I hope he gets to play in the NCAA before his career is over. But he is not a special player. The numbers above show he is a comparable player to Phillip Gilbert, and Gilbert produced his numbers with a broken foot!
Bradley has had numerous players in their past who had better careers than Phil, and who rank above him on the all-time BU scoring list. ISU on the other hand has not had many real greats that were NBA high draft picks, or MVC HOF caliber. In fact they have had just 1- Doug Collins. Maybe that's why the accomplishments of Osiris Eldridge, though modest, are trumpeted so loudly.
 
Air Petey said:
I just read that ISU was 2 & 3 in the 1st team votes. So my question earlier gets narrowed. If you have 2 of the best 3 players in the league.... how do you finish 3rd in the Valley? NICE coaching job!
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I agree. At the very least, they should be in position for an at-large with two of the top three players in the Valley.

I would hate to see the number of "Fire JL" posts had this been the case for Bradley.
 
shaunguth said:
I agree. At the very least, they should be in position for an at-large with two of the top three players in the Valley.

I would hate to see the number of "Fire JL" posts had this been the case for Bradley.
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Well, let's finish 3rd in the MVC once and we'll see how many there are.
 
Da Coach said:
My point was to show that despite all the praise and accolades Osiris Eldridge gets, Bradley has had many players in their past, including players like Gilbert, Cellus, POB, and Gillingham, who will never be considered for retiring uniforms, who had numbers that compare with Osiris. I like OE, and wish him the best. I hope he gets to play in the NCAA before his career is over. But he is not a special player. The numbers above show he is a comparable player to Phillip Gilbert, and Gilbert produced his numbers with a broken foot!
Bradley has had numerous players in their past who had better careers than Phil, and who rank above him on the all-time BU scoring list. ISU on the other hand has not had many real greats that were NBA high draft picks, or MVC HOF caliber. In fact they have had just 1- Doug Collins. Maybe that's why the accomplishments of Osiris Eldridge, though modest, are trumpeted so loudly.
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You are going to seriously try to tell us that if Bradley had a guy who had put up over 1800 points and made over 285 3pt shots in his career, there would not be those who would want to retire his jersey at Bradley?

We have had people on here wanting JC's number retired.

We get posts regarding Warren and getting to 1000 points and for Maniscalco getting to 200 made 3's in a career.

Please if OE had put on a Bradley Uniform the accolades both preseason, during season and post season would be never ending.

I dont believe his accomplishments are worthy of any HOF or retired jersey and I would venture to say most clear minded ISU fans would agree. And I agree his game and likely overall numbers are probably very similar to Gilberts. And for the record the numbers that both Gilbert and OE put up during their careers are both FAR from modest. Sam Singh's career numbers are modest... you score 1800 points in a college career that is outstanding.
 
shaunguth said:
I agree. At the very least, they should be in position for an at-large with two of the top three players in the Valley.

I would hate to see the number of "Fire JL" posts had this been the case for Bradley.
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Hmmm...we have 3 of the top 6 scorers in Valley play this year.
Illinois State has 0 players in the top 6...
Creighton has 0 players in the top 6...
Wichita has 0 players in the top 6...
UNI has 0 players in the top 6...
With 3 of the 6 best scorers in the league, how in the world could we have finished behind all of those teams? I'm baffled.
 
ER3 said:
Hmmm...we have 3 of the top 6 scorers in Valley play this year.
Illinois State has 0 players in the top 6...
Creighton has 0 players in the top 6...
Wichita has 0 players in the top 6...
UNI has 0 players in the top 6...
With 3 of the 6 best scorers in the league, how in the world could we have finished behind all of those teams? I'm baffled.
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Hmmm......I thought we were talking about best "players" and not just scorers. My bad.
 
ER3 said:
Hmmm...we have 3 of the top 6 scorers in Valley play this year.
Illinois State has 0 players in the top 6...
Creighton has 0 players in the top 6...
Wichita has 0 players in the top 6...
UNI has 0 players in the top 6...
With 3 of the 6 best scorers in the league, how in the world could we have finished behind all of those teams? I'm baffled.
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Maybe because they play defense and have contributing benches........................................................................................................
 
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