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I dunno, Mozleiak just signed Lohse for 10 Mil a year... And the Cards have the advantage of having large market income in a small-market and the best fans in baseball (come on guys it's why they have so many players taking home-team discounts and St. Louis is dubbed 'Baseball Town USA'). Do I actually think the Cards will sign CC? No, that's not really a need of theirs. They have Carpenter, Wainwright, Lohse, and Wellemeyer signed, and maybe Looper. But Mozeliak has made it a point he's willing to spend (different from Jockety). I actually don't like this as a Cards fan - I took pride in building up our own players - but it's the truth. I just hope Mozeliak is smart enough to sign Duncan and La Russa long-term...

They already signed Duncan to a contract for next year with an option after that. I think next season is the last one for he and TLR in St. Louis.

Lohse was smart to re-sign for slightly less money because I think he knew Duncan was a huge difference maker for him. Perhaps he took notice of what happened to Jeff Weaver when he left after 2006.

The Cards won't go after CC because they have most of their rotation already set (like you said) but mostly because it goes against their philosophy on signing pitchers. They're very reluctant to sign guys to five-year deals like Sabathia wants. As for the hometown discounts, almost all of those were made after the player had already been playing in St. Louis (McGwire, Rolen, even Pujols).

I disagree with the notion that Jocketty wasn't willing to spend money. He did sign Rolen, Izzy, Renteria, Edmonds, Pujols, etc. to long-term deals. I think that really was a decision by ownership in his final couple years here, and it turned out to be good because the free agent market the last few years has been completely out of whack with average players signing above-average deals. And outside of Pujols and Molina, the Cardinals have had virtually no major contributions from players within their own system this decade when Jocketty was GM. Until the last couple seasons, they had traded most of their prospects away for major-league ready talent.
 
I doubt CC wants to go back to the American League. Yeah the Yankees are sure to offer lots of money, but I bet he chooses to stay in the NL. As a Cubs fan I can only hope he comes 90 miles south.

Why would he not want to go back to the AL? Also, who is his agent? Some agents just care about the money!

No one will be able to offer him more then the Yanks and I bet he will be looking for Johan Santana numbers. Is he worth it and do you take a chance? The Yankees, Mets and Boston are the only clubs who could absorb that type of salary. The Cubs remeber are for sale and keeping payroll resonable is highly desired. If Mark Cuban buys them then all bets are off!
 
They already signed Duncan to a contract for next year with an option after that. I think next season is the last one for he and TLR in St. Louis.

Lohse was smart to re-sign for slightly less money because I think he knew Duncan was a huge difference maker for him. Perhaps he took notice of what happened to Jeff Weaver when he left after 2006.

The Cards won't go after CC because they have most of their rotation already set (like you said) but mostly because it goes against their philosophy on signing pitchers. They're very reluctant to sign guys to five-year deals like Sabathia wants. As for the hometown discounts, almost all of those were made after the player had already been playing in St. Louis (McGwire, Rolen, even Pujols).

I disagree with the notion that Jocketty wasn't willing to spend money. He did sign Rolen, Izzy, Renteria, Edmonds, Pujols, etc. to long-term deals. I think that really was a decision by ownership in his final couple years here, and it turned out to be good because the free agent market the last few years has been completely out of whack with average players signing above-average deals. And outside of Pujols and Molina, the Cardinals have had virtually no major contributions from players within their own system this decade when Jocketty was GM. Until the last couple seasons, they had traded most of their prospects away for major-league ready talent.

Ankiel, Pujols, Duncan, Molina, Schumaker, Ludwick, Morris, kinda Wainwright...

I didn't necessarily just mean players from the minors. Look at who we've rebuilt - Looper, Woody Williams, Carpenter, Wellemeyer, Lopez...
 
Ankiel, Pujols, Duncan, Molina, Schumaker, Ludwick, Morris, kinda Wainwright...

I didn't necessarily just mean players from the minors. Look at who we've rebuilt - Looper, Woody Williams, Carpenter, Wellemeyer, Lopez...

I am hesitant to call Lopez a "rebuild"... he needs to put more consistent numbers together before i jump on that bandwagon
 
I am hesitant to call Lopez a "rebuild"... he needs to put more consistent numbers together before i jump on that bandwagon

Before Cardinals this season -> .234 Avg & .619 OBPS
With Cardinals this season -> .385 Avg & .964 OBPS

I'll stick with my statement.
 
Ankiel, Pujols, Duncan, Molina, Schumaker, Ludwick, Morris, kinda Wainwright...

That's my point. They only had eight guys (really six, because they traded for Wainwright and Ludwick was a career minor leaguer) that they brought up through the minors and had make major league contributions in Jocketty's 12(?) years as GM. Until this season, the Cardnals' minor league system was pretty nasty.
 
Why would CC want to return to the AL after the way he dominated the NL.

Exactly, in every NL line-up you can take out one great hitter, who, all they do is hit, and insert one terrible hitter who rarely takes BP. This is why we need to get rid of the DH entirely, it puts the AL at a HUGE advantage when NL teams play in their park, the NL teams don't have a Manny Ramirez or Jim Thome sitting on the bench they can insert... This is why a pitcher would prefer the NL.
 
Sorry AMC, but I have to disagree. I could agree with you if most pitchers were like Z of the Cubs and took hitting seriously. I like the DH because I'd rather see someone swinging the bat than bunting with 2 strikes or taking pitches for strike 3 simply because he is a pitcher. Also, I believe the NL has an advantage where ever they play an AL team. The AL loses a hitter, who is in the lineup every other game, when they play in NL parks. When they play in AL parks the NL can add a weapon they don't usually have. IMO they should play every intra league game the way they play the rest of the season. Of course after witnessing the last several All-Star games and World Series, maybe the AL should give the NL a break.
 
Sorry AMC, but I have to disagree. I could agree with you if most pitchers were like Z of the Cubs and took hitting seriously. I like the DH because I'd rather see someone swinging the bat than bunting with 2 strikes or taking pitches for strike 3 simply because he is a pitcher. Also, I believe the NL has an advantage where ever they play an AL team. The AL loses a hitter, who is in the lineup every other game, when they play in NL parks. When they play in AL parks the NL can add a weapon they don't usually have. IMO they should play every intra league game the way they play the rest of the season. Of course after witnessing the last several All-Star games and World Series, maybe the AL should give the NL a break.

All an AL team has to do is put their pitcher in the Lineup, it's that simple. An NL just can't match the offensive prowess of a guy like Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome, or Aubrey Huff with a bench sub, it's just not feasible to keep a player like that on the bench. That's why AL has the advantage.
 
The AL teams are at a disadvantage because they partially build their team around the DH and can't use them in a NL park. Every NL team has a guy on the bench who could be playing every day, so it gives them the extra bat, they usually don't have, when they play in the AL park. They give hitters bats to hit with, so if they used them for what they were made for I would also be against the DH.
 
Before Cardinals this season -> .234 Avg & .619 OBPS
With Cardinals this season -> .385 Avg & .964 OBPS

I'll stick with my statement.

sure a .385 average is great, but he lacks that "clutch hit". Don't get me wrong, I am a die hard cardinals fan, but I see him in the same light i see Derek Lee. Sure, he will hit a double with no one on, but with runners on 2nd and 3rd, 2 down, he grounds out.
 
The AL teams are at a disadvantage because they partially build their team around the DH and can't use them in a NL park. Every NL team has a guy on the bench who could be playing every day, so it gives them the extra bat, they usually don't have, when they play in the AL park. They give hitters bats to hit with, so if they used them for what they were made for I would also be against the DH.

I disagree, Chico. The bench players the NL teams use to DH in AL parks don't come close to the guys the AL teams use as a DH almost every day.
 
At least they are guys who go to the plate to swing the bat. When they are swinging the bat anything can happen.
 
sure a .385 average is great, but he lacks that "clutch hit". Don't get me wrong, I am a die hard cardinals fan, but I see him in the same light i see Derek Lee. Sure, he will hit a double with no one on, but with runners on 2nd and 3rd, 2 down, he grounds out.

I wouldn't disagree at all in that regard, but heck Ryan Howard won the MVP over Pujols that way... lol
 
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