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Out of Balance said:
Pander, not sure I new the real meaning of it so I asked Webster:?
Pander = person who caters to base passions of others

Ok, as I see it DePaul would not renew a series with Bradley for what ever reason. Maybe they just did not like coming to P town, or maybe it is because they are with the Big Boys now and have to thumb their noses at us or maybe they are just embarrassed because they don't have a fan base like BU's and having more BU fans a their home game than their fans or just maybe they are scared of getting their butts beat. As for what ever their reasoning for not wanting to play us in the regular season then one has to ask why the hell we would be willing to play them behind closed doors as if they don't want anyone to know we are playing BU but we will use them for what ever gain we can get without the open shame and humiliation that BU could give us in a open game (regular season or exhibition):!:
I agree with B4L this pandering:-o We stand more to gain in a open game, in front of the fans and knowing the out come! My opionion!
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I was under the impression B4L was referring to JL's quote since that's the part of my post that was quoted. I still fail to see how anything JL said would be considered "pandering" to DePaul.

Also, I didn't realize JL was directly responsible for the schedule.....I thought it was the AD that most people around here seem to blame for our schedule.
 
Da Coach said:
DePaul still won't play us in a real game. Nothing has changed.
So I see this as the next best thing. As a scrimmage, it will serve the purpose that early-season scrimmages are intended for, the cost of travel is minimal, and the competetion is much better than D2. And if Bradley didn't get this game, they would have been locked into just the one exhibition against Lewis.
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it is indeed a win-win situation...
since we can't host a 2nd open exhibition due to facilities under construction, then by going to play DePaul, there is absolutely NO expense on our part...and we may even be getting paid to come, but we get to measure up against a Big East team, and get to play a game that win-or-lose will benefit us.
 
don't forget, that buried deep in that PJ Star story on the schedule is this comment...
"Les said Bradley still might add a game to its 11-game nonconference
schedule, released earlier this week. The open date is either Dec. 22 or 23,
between road games at Iowa State (Dec. 20) and Drake.
???We??™re continuing to look at some opportunities,??? Les said. ???For the right
situation, we could put a game there. If it??™s the right opponent, we??™d go on
the road, but that would give us three road games in a row. Or we could add
a home game.???


http://www.pjstar.com/sports/x2025181281/For-Bradley-basketball-different-is-good
 
shaunguth said:

???We??™re excited about it,??? Les said. ???It??™s a chance to play a Big East team to see where we??™re at...... "
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For the record I DO NOT like that Les feels he needs to kiss DePaul's or the Big East's @ss by making this comment. Thanks for the definition of pander OoB: "Pander = person who caters to base passions of others". IMO, that is exactly what Les is doing here. He's telling them what the want and expect to hear. "Oh, Oh, the Big East is SO great let's "see where we're at" :( .

Who's been kicking who's @ss these past several years?! I'm sorry, but I'd prefer Les highlight Bradley's dominance over the Big East teams instead of bowing down to kiss their "almighty" @ss. I ask: What would Dick Versace have said here?

Come on Jimmy! Let's start a little rivalry here! I'd rather hear: "Since they won't come here we're going to DePaul to try to help them turn their program around. I know the Big East hasn't really provided us with much competition lately but we still think we can help our guys by once again showing them that they are just as good as the teams in this constantly over-hyped conference.

I'm sorry if this offends some.
 
shaunguth said:
I was under the impression B4L was referring to JL's quote since that's the part of my post that was quoted. I still fail to see how anything JL said would be considered "pandering" to DePaul.

Also, I didn't realize JL was directly responsible for the schedule.....I thought it was the AD that most people around here seem to blame for our schedule.
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No matter how I look at it (in B4L's quote or the schedule of the closed door scrummage with a school that won't play us straight up in a regular season game) it meets Webster's criteria to me:!: Whats next a closed door scrummage with Duke or maybe we can have a closed door with Michigan State :roll: How long before certain fans can attend the closed door scrimmages. Look, as I see it, BU fans got cut out of another chance to see their team play and for what, to pander to a school that won't play us straight up:!: We talk about how hard scheduling is, how hard it is to get the big boys to play us, then we feed the monster by doing this closed door BS. What big school would schedule us when they can play us behind closed doors and no one will ever know the out come. They can escape BU's fans and any embarrassment BU may hand them. What are we becoming here a Taxi Squad for the Big Ones:-o
I am for doing anything to improve our team but there is nothing better for a team than playing (scrummaging) in a real game setting with real fans in the stands and everyone knowing the out come:!: My opinion:)

As fare as scheduling DePaul or any scheduling, I am sure Jimmy isn't out of the loop:-o As for putting any blame on the acting AD for anything, it does not come from me:!: I put it right where it should go, with the person who created the AD issue, Queen Prez:-o:evil:
 
I am sure if asked, Jerry Wainwright would say equally nicey-nice things about Bradley. Every coach does this. I don't see any reason to parse Jim Les' words and try to make more of them than is warranted.
 
Hey guys, I agree with you but still like the idea of it maybe just for personal reasons because it's a short drive for me to Allstate Arena to watch a game if we get a home and home out of this. Sure the wording could have been better. And I agree, aren't we something like 8-0 vs the Big East in our last eight games. I'm not sure it's going to be an all out 40 minute game, I think it going to be what it is, a scrimmage, a practice session for two teams. I expect someone will get us a report of what happened.
 
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tornado said:
it is indeed a win-win situation...
since we can't host a 2nd open exhibition due to facilities under construction, then by going to play DePaul, there is absolutely NO expense on our part...and we may even be getting paid to come, but we get to measure up against a Big East team, and get to play a game that win-or-lose will benefit us.
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Question T, wasn't the facilities under construction last year when we played Lewis and UW-Platteville in exhibition games:doubt: As fare as paying us to come play a closed door scrummage with NO Revenue to be gain by DePaul, I doubt it:roll: Don't you think BU would stand to make some revenue by rescheduling UW-Platteville this year again and gain more from it than scrummaging the lowest of the Big East:-o Also I think you are upside down in measuring up. The way I see it the Big East needs to measure up to us:!::lol:
 
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I'll answer-
Yes, both the Lewis and UW-Platteville games were at the Civic Center last year due to the unavailability of the Fieldhouse.

But, the Lewis game was not part of the season ticket package, and the attendance was 2, 585. That is not even enough to cover the cost of renting the Carver arena, and employing the game-day staff.

So the decision was made to play only 1 exhibition game, and it makes sense to me. I don't understand why there is second-guessing of everything that the Athletic Department does, even with scheduling. I think they do a pretty good job.
 
Da Coach said:
I don't understand why there is second-guessing of everything that the Athletic Department does..
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just like the "job" of some reporters has been claimed to be "stirring the pot", I guess the "job"
of message board posters is to "second-guess everything that the Athletic Department does". ;););)
 
closed door scrimmages happen more and more each year. Truthfully, it probably DOES do a TON more for the team than an exhibition against some team that gives them less of a challenge then just practicing against each other. It does suck as fans, cause it's one less game to see...but for the team it's gotta be pretty good.

You have to realize that at these closed door scrimmages they actually go for about 3-4 hours total with a break in the middle. There are real refs at these scrimmages, but the coaches can also cut in and give instruction during the scrimmage while the plays are still fresh in everyones minds.

If the scrimmage is against a good oponnent, then it does more to help prepare the team than some scrimmage against a crappy D2 team. Wichita St started this last year, and while it did suck to lose a game to watch (even if it doesn't count) I can see the argument where the scrimmage against better competition can help the TEAM alot more.

It also gives coaches a much better look on how their team would do out of the gate against decent competition. Sometimes it's hard to see weaknesses when you are playing cupcake Div 2 teams just so you can be in front of fans.
 
Let's forget about the quote from Les! We start the season with some pretty good competition and I like the idea of scrimmaging against a D-I school regardless of who it is to get us playing the best we can right away.

Good job JL for getting that scheduled.

Now on the rest of our schedule.:oops: After BYU and Vegas it looks real average, especially our home schedule. I'm going to hate to see next year's schedule because some AD's are working on theirs right now. The lack of AD will come and harm us later on. JL does not have the time to work the phones and consistently call those top 50 programs. That's the AD's job to develop those relationships.
 
Da Coach said:
I am sure if asked, Jerry Wainwright would say equally nicey-nice things about Bradley. Every coach does this. I don't see any reason to parse Jim Les' words and try to make more of them than is warranted.
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Exactly. I still don't see anything wrong with what JL said and I'm really not quite sure what the big deal is with those three sentences.
 
Da Coach said:
I'll answer-
Yes, both the Lewis and UW-Platteville games were at the Civic Center last year due to the unavailability of the Fieldhouse.

But, the Lewis game was not part of the season ticket package, and the attendance was 2, 585. That is not even enough to cover the cost of renting the Carver arena, and employing the game-day staff.

So the decision was made to play only 1 exhibition game, and it makes sense to me. I don't understand why there is second-guessing of everything that the Athletic Department does, even with scheduling. I think they do a pretty good job.
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Oh Ya, play the $ card, I thought you would go there DC:lol: You mean to tell me BU went into this 2 years of construction not knowing they may have to break even or take a hit on the exhibition games. To bad in all the years BU profited from the exhibition games at the field house that they might have to give back a little to the fans. I'm sure BU wouldn't bellie up from what little lost that would occure:!: After all it's the royal fans that help build and support BU programs and helping pay for the new facilities:!:
Cheap A__:lol:
JK
 
For the record I have NO problem with scrimmage games; I, too, think they are more beneficial than D2 exhibition games. And I certainly didn't intend to start a "war of words" with the good Bradleyfan posters here by criticizing Les for "pandering". I just get so sick and tired of BU and the MVC having to play second fiddle to teams like DePaul, Providence, Rutgers just because they're from the big, bad, awsome, "#1 rated conference" Big (L)east.

Obviously, I interpretted Les' statement differently from others; I'm OK with that:) . I would have just preferred Les to not be so "deferential" toward DePaul and the Big East. Now, I'm done. Go "Webster" that word OoB;) :lol: :)
 
Braves4Life said:
For the record I have NO problem with exhibition games; I, too, think they are more beneficial than D2 exhibition games. And I certainly didn't intend to start a "war of words" with the good Bradleyfan posters here by criticizing Les for "pandering". I just get so sick and tired of BU and the MVC having to play second fiddle to teams like DePaul, Providence, Rutgers just because they're from the big, bad, awsome, "#1 rated conference" Big (L)east.

Obviously, I interpretted Les' statement differently from others; I'm OK with that:) . I would have just preferred Les to not be so "deferential" toward DePaul and the Big East. Now, I'm done. Go "Webster" that word OoB;) :lol: :)
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You liked that one, didn't you friend:lol:
 
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