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Cole-Scott leaves BU

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If TC-S was being forced out by the coaching staff, it would have happened at a time when the scholarship could have been used to sign a recruit during the spring signing period. Since no additional recruits were signed, that would seem to indicate there were no scholarships available.

Sorry...but the "facts" according to Mr Scott just don't add up to me.
 
This whole thing does not make any sense. I'll believe BU until PROVEN otherwise. Bradley had absolutely nothing to gain by doing this. Now if the freed scholi was suddenly used I would suspect something. But that is not the case. Given the circumstances, what purpose would it serve? In fact, it is a negative. It hurts BU's graduation rate and deprives them of a practice (worst case evaluation of TCS's ability) player. Even if BU did have a recruit lined up for the scholi, why not be up front about it?

It does NOT look like a duck, does NOT talk like a duck, and I do NOT believe it is a duck.
 
Regardless of what did or did not happen in the TCS situation, I think that it is pretty clear that we were recruiting over TCS with the Norris signing and the current signed recruiting class.
 
By the way, even if what TCS's father says is true, and I simply don't believe it for a minute, the coaches still have done nothing wrong.

That doesn't add up with Les said about his unwritten rule later in the article. If what Mr. Scott says happened actually occurred, then Les violated his own personal ethics of treating his players like he would want sons of his to be treated.

I still feel exactly the same way as I did yesterday with the whole miscommunication thing.

Was anyone else disturbed that the PJS put TCS' picture under that headline on the front of the Sports section?! His father was making these accusations that brought about that headline and they slap his face on the cover! I'm sorry, but that's horrible editing since everyone who just looks at the headline and the picture would think that TCS made parting shots at BU.
 
I still feel exactly the same way as I did yesterday with the whole miscommunication thing.


That's the problem with this whole "text-messaging" fad. It's impossible to convey emotions and communicate properly. I doubt lil Bish would be so stupid as to make a derogatory text message part of the "public record". If he did send the text that was quoted then I have no doubt it was simply misinterpreted as it could be taken one of two ways. Again, that's why I've never used text messaging and never will. IMO it should only be used in emergency situations.............but then again I'm a dinosaur :lol: ;)
 
I'm guessing the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Programs do drop kids, but sometimes we like to think we're 'above' other programs. We're not, but that doesn't mean we're bad or that we're doing anything wrong. Unfortunately, this is a part of DI college basketball. We're not immune to it or above it in any way, shape, or form.

BTW - Maybe I am naive, but I believe what JL is saying in the article. Whether or not he had EB doing his dirty work of running the kid off is another story, to which we'll probably never know the truth. However, assistants doing the dirty work is another necessary evil of college buckets too. Who knows, maybe EB did this on his own because he really wanted BU to land a guy he'd been after to impress JL. Assistants do things on their own sometimes too - Sometimes good, sometimes bad.
 
I could see Bish texting..."IF you decide to stay prepare to work your a$$ off"....then TSC tells dad what he recieved. Dad "hearing" something different then the actual text.

IF I got that text, Dads version, I wouldn't have waited a month to raise a stink.
 
That's the problem with this whole "text-messaging" fad. It's impossible to convey emotions and communicate properly. I doubt lil Bish would be so stupid as to make a derogatory text message part of the "public record". If he did send the text that was quoted then I have no doubt it was simply misinterpreted as it could be taken one of two ways.




Totally agree......
 
I think this situation-with BU likely having an "idle" scholy for next season opens up the only scenario where Tony Freeman from Iowa might end up at BU. We use a scholy that would otherwise go unused (unless the coaches have something to pull out of the hat) and we use it on Freeman. Still not sure it is a great investment-we only get one year out of him and I don't think we need yet another guard but he is a proven player in the B-10 so he would give us something....

I have not seen anything on Freeman lately-has he gone anywhere else yet ??

Forget the Freeman thing, as it makes no sense at all! Where would we use him with the player's we have now?
 
If BU wanted him out they would of pulled his scholarship 2 weeks after the season ended when each player sits down with the staff.
 
How come some people have a hard time recognizing sour grapes when it's so obvious that's what this is.
In fact, this is so similar to the Danny Granger situation, I find it eerie. Recall Danny Granger claimed Jim Les called him (in the era before text messaging)
and said if he tried to leave, he'd make his life "he**". But then as the facts played out, and it became more and more
apparent that Granger was orchestrating his attack to coincide with his departure in order to deflect attention from the tampering, and that much of that stuff never happened, like the speeding ticket that caused him to be late for the team bus....all of which has been proven to be lies!
I remain convinced that the only operative in this entire scenario that's saying anything against BU or Jim Les, TCS' dad, is pulling his theatrics in order to deflect from the obvious, that TCS simply doesn't fit at the D-I level.

I basically have two opinions about this........

--one is that I will believe the BU point of view until someone else or even one shred of evidence comes forward to substantiate what TCS' dad is saying. So far his word has nothing to back it up. Tyrone himself seems quiet and is not supporting his dad, and this issue with a text message is a ridiculous claim unless he can produce the message. Hey-- even if I were very, very close to my dad, he still would never have seen my text messages or known what was in them, so come on Mr. C-S, pony up!! Let's see if you have the evidence. If not, then I don't believe you, and it sounds like you're just trying to deflect attention from the obvious, that Tyrone is better off playing at D-II and just couldn't make it at D-I. I like Tyrone, wish him well, but I see the obvious, and I know sour grapes when I see them.

--second, I wish we'd have some local press that would stop printing as fact, just about every kind of silly rumor or claim that disparages Bradley.
I am still waiting for the evidence of the Suggs-positive drug test that was supposed to exist...and now the claim of a nasty text message....let's see it. If it does exist, let's start with the evidence, but if it is just a he said/she said thing, then give it up, PJS. How many of the "surrounding himself with people who take the expedient route rather than the principled one" and "Suggs/drug test" and Granger phoney claims are we going to have to read about in a major newspaper?
Why the continuous vendetta in the press to run with anything negative, even if it's unsubstantiated and rumor?
 
I have no idea of everything that happened, and never will. I think TCS will be better served finishing his education and playing somewhere else. I wish TCS all of the best. I wish he would have had more success at BU. I wouldn't worry too much about what TCS's father said or didn't say. My concern as a fan is that BU spent time and money to recruit a player that contributed little on the court during games. I hope BU improves in recruiting. To move up to the top 3 consistently and and get to a level of SIU and CU, the recruiting needs to get better. Using scholarships that do not help now or in the future is frustrating to me as a fan. To TCS - good luck. To the BU staff - please get better at recruiting and coaching fundamentals that win games.
 
If BU wanted him out they would of pulled his scholarship 2 weeks after the season ended when each player sits down with the staff.

Pulling players scholarships is looked on as not being a postive thing (for a lot of reasons) unless there is just reason for it. But it happens alot! More often than not it is done because of something the player has done (behavior problems,grades and so much more) or maybe he just wants out for what ever reason (homesick, another school, girlfriend back home). You are right JL could of asked (maybe did) we don't know. Theres alot of ?'s being asked on this issue and not alot of answers as of yet.
 
My concern as a fan is that BU spent time and money to recruit a player that contributed little on the court during games. I hope BU improves in recruiting. To move up to the top 3 consistently and and get to a level of SIU and CU, the recruiting needs to get better. Using scholarships that do not help now or in the future is frustrating to me as a fan. To TCS - good luck. To the BU staff - please get better at recruiting and coaching fundamentals that win games.

Come on 12! Are you thinking that only BU has recruits that don't meet expectations? Many schools wouldn't have even given the recruit the courtesy of a meeting, or an evaluation. And most wouldn't have tried to talk him into staying or tried to set up individual workouts to help him improve his game. They would have just sent the kid packing.
Chris Lowery has dismissed several of his highly touted recruits the last couple years (Jamal Foster, Brandon Wood, Nick Rogers, Jordan Armstrong among others just in the past year or 2). Porter Moser has done it at ISU, and watch for it to keep happening under Jankovich. And if you want more examples, I can list names of kids from nearly every school in the MVC that had their scholarships pulled. It happens everywhere, and I think it actually happens less here than most schools.

And, by the way, the TCS signing was a late move caused by the availability of a scholarship and the need for another guard. It was more of a fluke than any trend of poor recruiting.
 
And, by the way, the TCS signing was a late move caused, in part, by the unexpected failure of DeAaron Williams to qualify. It was more of a fluke than any trend of poor recruiting.

Not to split hairs, but I recall TCS's committment was a result of Dwight Buycks inability to qualify. TCS committed just days before DB's test results became public (at the time many wondered why we landed another guard when we had DB already committed). Theron Wilson was signed once it became evident (and public) that DeAaron wasn't going to qualify. Here's the BU press releases which verify that -

TCS signing on Spring LOI day, DeAaron Williams still in the fold -

http://www.bubraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=25965&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=860385

Theron Wilson signed late as a result of DW's failure to qualify -

http://www.bubraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=25965&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=877134
 
By the way, we are constantly told that the newspapers always check out and verify their stories and sources. But did I miss where anyone tried to verify any of what TCS's father is claiming? It should be awful easy to produce this infamous text message from coach Bish. Or at least get some kind of statement from Tyrone Cole-Scott himself verifying it.
But we haven't see these.
When will we see them?
To be fair here, the same things could be said about Les's accounts of what happened as well. Should anyone from the paper have verified any of the details of what Les is claiming? Should the paper have done their 'fact checking' to make sure that these offseason workouts that TCS reportedly skipped really existed? Did they call Cole-Scott to verify that he actually chose not to attend these offseason workouts?...that he did choose to leave BU on his own?
No, I'm sure they didn't...nor would I have expected them to. They published Les's side of the story...his account of the events...then TCS's father came back with a different account of the events...and they published that. I don't see a problem with it.
Which story is true? I have no idea...Like some have said, it probably falls somewhere between the two accounts.
I guess I just don't see this whole issue to be that big of a deal...
Basketball scholarships are a year-to-year proposition...Hundreds of guys get recruited to play hoops every year and end up not contributing much on the court, they don't fit in, they have off-the-court problems, etc...so they are forced out, asked to 'consider other options', 'encouraged to look elsewhere'...whatever you want to call it, when their scholarship comes up for 'renewal'...This happens hundreds of times every year at Div. I programs all over the country...so I don't see why it is such a shock to anyone when it is reported that it happened here with TCS.
 
Da Coach,

I don't really care what other programs do as much as I care about what BU does and the results that come with. I don't think anywhere in my post did I question how BU did or did not handle this situation. I just want BU to get better....period. I have never said that the staff is doing a bad job, just that they need to do a better job of recruiting and coaching to get to the level I would like the team to be at consistently. I am not asking for a change in the coaching personnel, just better results. I think the results are mediocre, and I think and want them to be better. My opinion is that better recruiting and better coaching of fundamentals, defense and rebounding will get BU where I would be happy. Is it OK to want that in your opinion?
 
--second, I wish we'd have some local press that would stop printing as fact, just about every kind of silly rumor or claim that disparages Bradley.
I am still waiting for the evidence of the Suggs-positive drug test that was supposed to exist...and now the claim of a nasty text message....let's see it. If it does exist, let's start with the evidence, but if it is just a he said/she said thing, then give it up, PJS. How many of the "surrounding himself with people who take the expedient route rather than the principled one" and "Suggs/drug test" and Granger phoney claims are we going to have to read about in a major newspaper?
Why the continuous vendetta in the press to run with anything negative, even if it's unsubstantiated and rumor?

So you want the PJS to completely ignore the story simply because TCS' father didn't present any concrete evidence? Why? His dad making these claims is a big enough deal that it's worth printing. The story never once claims that any of this is fact. It simply states the things his dad is claiming, and attributes all the accusations to his father. Exactly what is wrong with that?
 
To be fair here, the same things could be said about Les's accounts of what happened as well. Should anyone from the paper have verified any of the details of what Les is claiming? Should the paper have done their 'fact checking' to make sure that these offseason workouts that TCS reportedly skipped really existed? Did they call Cole-Scott to verify that he actually chose not to attend these offseason workouts?...that he did choose to leave BU on his own?
No, I'm sure they didn't...nor would I have expected them to. They published Les's side of the story...his account of the events...then TCS's father came back with a different account of the events...and they published that. I don't see a problem with it.
Which story is true? I have no idea...Like some have said, it probably falls somewhere between the two accounts.

Well said, ER3.

Weren't there people yesterday who wanted to hear more from TCS' dad after he made the phone call to the PJS, then wouldn't return messages? So now the PJS talks to him and there's still a stink being raised? Both sides gave their accounts of what happened. It's up to the reader to decide what they think happened.

If TCS decides to produce the alleged text message, it'll be pretty easy to figure it out for certain. If not, I guess we'll all be left in the dark about the truth.

Personally, I find it hard to believe TCS was "forced out" now because it's so late in the signing period. Had it happened right after he met with Les, I might be more likely to believe his (father's) account.
 
So you want the PJS to completely ignore the story simply because TCS' father didn't present any concrete evidence? ...


;) Hey-- TCS' dad just sent me a text message saying he made it all up...
someone let the local paper know this so they can do another story with this hard evidence tomorrow... ;)





Seriously....
Not to split hairs, but I recall TCS's committment was a result of Dwight Buycks inability to qualify.

This is reasonable...

Cole Scott made his verbal commitment on 3/15/07
http://jucojunction.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=653323

Dwight Buycks, who failed to get a passing ACT score on his February attempt, still was planning to take his ACT the first week of April and it couldn't have possibly been known prior to around April 20 that Buycks would be ineligible on that test, but apparently BU wasn't willing to wait, so by early to mid March of 2007, it appears BU pulled the offer to Buycks, and perhaps that's when Cole-Scott came more strongly into the picture.
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3700

Obviously after Buycks missed again on the later test, then his plans changed,
and in May it was announced he'd be going to junior college.
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4288
 
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