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Disturbing comment from Coach Les

thefish7 said:
I have almost no idea what I'm talking about, but isn't it the big flashing out what keeps the screens from allowing open shots on the perimeter?

From what I observe, DC is pretty good at flashing out and getting back in time to still play some defense. SS on the other hand has a lot of trouble getting back in time...

Also, weren't a lot of those backdoors against our 1-3-1 zone? The 1-3-1 was nice for messing with teams when first kind of unleashed it, but it seems like it's scouted now and it may be best to let it rest for a while. Against the 1-3-1 teams are attacking the corners of it, and getting the ball to one side which causes the guard under the basket to go to that side... Then the ball is reversed for a layup.
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Yes. I agree.

Seemed like Marty Simmons had a few plays to bust up the 1-3-1 fairly easy yesterday (resulting in some easy back-door baskets).
 
thefish7 said:
I have almost no idea what I'm talking about, but isn't it the big flashing out what keeps the screens from allowing open shots on the perimeter?

From what I observe, DC is pretty good at flashing out and getting back in time to still play some defense. SS on the other hand has a lot of trouble getting back in time...

Also, weren't a lot of those backdoors against our 1-3-1 zone? The 1-3-1 was nice for messing with teams when first kind of unleashed it, but it seems like it's scouted now and it may be best to let it rest for a while. Against the 1-3-1 teams are attacking the corners of it, and getting the ball to one side which causes the guard under the basket to go to that side... Then the ball is reversed for a layup.
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I hate it when we send our 5 out to play or slow down a guard, then that 5 has to move back to the lane to cover up any high low passing. I also hate it that we use our 5 to set screens 20 ft from the rim, hoping beyond hope that the 5 will, 1) not set a moving screen, 2) that the 5 will roll to the rim and receive a pass off of that screen. I think Egolf would have had the ability to catch and move with the ball off of a ball screen. Collins and Singh are not real good at it, but then again I rarely see the guard ever look to pass the ball to the screener.

Very little in basketball bothers me more then when your center commits a foul 20 feet from the block.
 
Braves4Life said:
True. You got me there BB :lol: I guess that was just wishful thinking;)
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It's OK, I do the same thing. I'm watching this stupid NBA All-Star game and keep getting irritated that Danny Granger was a Brave for 43 games. Then I get even more irritated that with an NBA All-Star on the roster we only won 13 of those 43 games. It really is unbelievable.
 
Braveman and I both commented on the bigs flashing out to slow the guards down. He mentioned that in Versace's day the rule was flash out and recover quickly. Both of us noticed that our bigs tend to linger too long out top and dont recover very well. This leaves big gaps in our defense.

IMO this team has really improved on D but I would not call us a awesome or dominate defensive team.
 
houstontxbrave said:
I hate it when we send our 5 out to play or slow down a guard, then that 5 has to move back to the lane to cover up any high low passing. I also hate it that we use our 5 to set screens 20 ft from the rim, hoping beyond hope that the 5 will, 1) not set a moving screen, 2) that the 5 will roll to the rim and receive a pass off of that screen. I think Egolf would have had the ability to catch and move with the ball off of a ball screen. Collins and Singh are not real good at it, but then again I rarely see the guard ever look to pass the ball to the screener.

Very little in basketball bothers me more then when your center commits a foul 20 feet from the block.
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I can't think of many teams I've watched play that don't have the 5 flashing out on defense or setting screens/passing at the top of the perimeter on offense. I'm not really sure how defense in particular can work without such play. Singh in particular has seemed to linger too long out there, and also not shown great ability to get back inside after flashing out... but it's still a very important part of playing that position.
 
BradleyBrave said:
It's OK, I do the same thing. I'm watching this stupid NBA All-Star game and keep getting irritated that Danny Granger was a Brave for 43 games. Then I get even more irritated that with an NBA All-Star on the roster we only won 13 of those 43 games. It really is unbelievable.
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This steers off-topic... but it got me thinking... hmmm, wow.... we won 13 of only 43 games with him? Wow - who would anyone dream of blaming for that?
 
I wouldn't mind the occasional back door layup if BU was getting enough steals or deflections to warrant it. However, Evansville only committed 8 turnovers in a high possession game. Four steals total for BU and I think one of them was on the last play of the game.

Teams are looking for the backdoor now and BU doesn't have the shot blockers in the middle to help or the weak side guards to help get the charge (the Valley refs love to call charges).
 
it's boogie time said:
I wouldn't mind the occasional back door layup if BU was getting enough steals or deflections to warrant it. However, Evansville only committed 8 turnovers in a high possession game. Four steals total for BU and I think one of them was on the last play of the game.

Teams are looking for the backdoor now and BU doesn't have the shot blockers in the middle to help or the weak side guards to help get the charge (the Valley refs love to call charges).
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excellent point boogie
 
bigdaddystuck said:
Braveman and I both commented on the bigs flashing out to slow the guards down. He mentioned that in Versace's day the rule was flash out and recover quickly. Both of us noticed that our bigs tend to linger too long out top and dont recover very well. This leaves big gaps in our defense.

IMO this team has really improved on D but I would not call us a awesome or dominate defensive team.
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Agree.. In the Evansville game, they had a guard driving toward the hoop who stopped about 8 feet from the basket... Our 5 went over to double team the Evansville guard which left their wing player wide open for the back door slam... All our 5 has to do in that situation is maintain his position, watch for the back door, and get ready for a possible rebound... In that situation, I would rather have an opposing guard shoot a contested 8 foot shot than a back door slam any day!
 
I dont mind giving up some back door layups to teams as long as you are creating havoc with your aggressive play.

I like that BU plays aggressive on the ball and in the passing lanes. Its a "risk/reward" thing. If BU had a better shot blocker in there the backdoor cuts wouldnt be as noticeable. I like the way BU plays defense in the halfcourt most of the time.

Now, for that other end of the floor :)
 
Beninator said:
Given that we are getting Warren and hopefully a healthy Will Egolf next year, I am not worried about our offense.
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I hear ya on Warren--he will help. He does play the one position BU has some offensive depth. Egolf, I'm not so sure. He has played about 100 significant basketball minutes since he graduated from high school. He is a major question mark.
 
leebiddlecome said:
I hear ya on Warren--he will help. He does play the one position BU has some offensive depth. Egolf, I'm not so sure. He has played about 100 significant basketball minutes since he graduated from high school. He is a major question mark.
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Imho, from what I have seen of Egolf this year, a healthy Will Egolf is a major match up problem for other teams in the MVC.
 
Beninator said:
Imho, from what I have seen of Egolf this year, a healthy Will Egolf is a major match up problem for other teams in the MVC.
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Im sure someone will label me a "Egolf hater" but, man, he has hardly played. Here is his game log for this season.

UIC, DNP-Coaches decision
Florida, 3 minutes, no stas
UMKC, 8 minutes, 1-1, 2 rebs, 2 pts, 1 to
Florida Gulf Coast, 19 minutes, 8 pts, 5 rebs, 2 blocks
Richmond, 19 minutes, 6 points, 1 rebounds, 2 to, block
East Tennessee State, 20 minutes, 6 points, 2 rebounds, 3 to, block

He was averaging basically 4 points and less than 2 rebounds per game on the season--this after hardly playing at all as a freshman. Calling him a "major match up problem" seems to be a bit of a stretch.

I just hope he gets healthy and can give BU a decent 15-20 minutes next year. That is about as good as we can hope I think.
 
leebiddlecome said:
Im sure someone will label me a "Egolf hater" but, man, he has hardly played. Here is his game log for this season.

UIC, DNP-Coaches decision
Florida, 3 minutes, no stas
UMKC, 8 minutes, 1-1, 2 rebs, 2 pts, 1 to
Florida Gulf Coast, 19 minutes, 8 pts, 5 rebs, 2 blocks
Richmond, 19 minutes, 6 points, 1 rebounds, 2 to, block
East Tennessee State, 20 minutes, 6 points, 2 rebounds, 3 to, block

He was averaging basically 4 points and less than 2 rebounds per game on the season--this after hardly playing at all as a freshman. Calling him a "major match up problem" seems to be a bit of a stretch.

I just hope he gets healthy and can give BU a decent 15-20 minutes next year. That is about as good as we can hope I think.
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OMG, how many times have we been through this. Obviously the numbers say nothing, but he was just beginning to assert himself as a solid center. If you saw the last three games he played, you saw moves that we have not seen out of a Bradley big man in quite some time. Remember how DC wasn't even playing until WE got injured? Les knew Egolf was the real deal, and clearly was better than Collins and still has huge upside. But it would be ignorant to just look at the averages when he barely played the first few games and when he was just starting to work himself into the lineup.
 
bluedevils1 said:
Remember how DC wasn't even playing until WE got injured? Les knew Egolf was the real deal, and clearly was better than Collins and still has huge upside. But it would be ignorant to just look at the averages when he barely played the first few games and when he was just starting to work himself into the lineup.
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Acutally Collins has started all but two games. Egolf only started playing when the staff thought Collings couldn't get it done. Egolf played 11 minutes the first three games of the year then scored 8 points versus a FGCU team that is just barely a full D1 program.

Will Egolf has more DNP-Coaches Decision than he does actual games played in his career.

I wish Will well. But to act like he would be a stud big man in the MVC just seems quite a bit premature. I hope for 15-20 minutes out of Will. Anything else will be gravy.
 
bluedevils1 said:
OMG, how many times have we been through this. Obviously the numbers say nothing, but he was just beginning to assert himself as a solid center. If you saw the last three games he played, you saw moves that we have not seen out of a Bradley big man in quite some time. Remember how DC wasn't even playing until WE got injured? Les knew Egolf was the real deal, and clearly was better than Collins and still has huge upside. But it would be ignorant to just look at the averages when he barely played the first few games and when he was just starting to work himself into the lineup.
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It's all about sample size...Cole-Scott was a lock 1st team Valley player after his St. Ambrose performance last year, too. How'd that work out?

Egolf showed some progress in the 3 games he started, he showed that he had more upside than Collins, but can you really start making assumptions that he is 'the unquestioned answer' based on that limited body of work? 3 games against FGCU, Richmond, and ETSU? I don't think it would be wise to jump to that conclusion...better teams with better big men were coming later on the schedule, and teams would have made adjustments to his game the more time he saw...I think there would have been many speed bumps along the way for Will on his way toward being an established starter for this team...

We'll have to hope you are right...because he may be the only option we have that is ready to play in the post next year...
 
leebiddlecome said:
Im sure someone will label me a "Egolf hater" but, man, he has hardly played. Here is his game log for this season.

UIC, DNP-Coaches decision
Florida, 3 minutes, no stas
UMKC, 8 minutes, 1-1, 2 rebs, 2 pts, 1 to
Florida Gulf Coast, 19 minutes, 8 pts, 5 rebs, 2 blocks
Richmond, 19 minutes, 6 points, 1 rebounds, 2 to, block
East Tennessee State, 20 minutes, 6 points, 2 rebounds, 3 to, block

He was averaging basically 4 points and less than 2 rebounds per game on the season--this after hardly playing at all as a freshman. Calling him a "major match up problem" seems to be a bit of a stretch.

I just hope he gets healthy and can give BU a decent 15-20 minutes next year. That is about as good as we can hope I think.
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The stats from Egolf do not lie, but the attitude and aggressiveness of our team when we had Egolf on the floor was a complete 180 from what it was when he was not getting minutes.

If Egolf would not have gotten hurt, I really think this team would have been completely different in how it was able to approach basketball games this season. He gave the offense a completely different option, a big who could score from the wing, an athletic jumper, a guy who can put it on the floor and a person who could pass on either the move or from the block. Just a much better overall player then Collins and I think the way this team responded with Egolf was a big indication of the trust it had with him on the court.
 
houstontxbrave said:
The stats from Egolf do not lie, but the attitude and aggressiveness of our team when we had Egolf on the floor was a complete 180 from what it was when he was not getting minutes.

If Egolf would not have gotten hurt, I really think this team would have been completely different in how it was able to approach basketball games this season. He gave the offense a completely different option, a big who could score from the wing, an athletic jumper, a guy who can put it on the floor and a person who could pass on either the move or from the block. Just a much better overall player then Collins and I think the way this team responded with Egolf was a big indication of the trust it had with him on the court.
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I understand. I do. I want Will to be good. He is one of my favorite players. But it's hard for me to put a lot into a three game stretch versus FGCU, Richmond, and UMKC. Les didn't have confidence in him until he had all but given up on David Collins.

I hope Will becomes a double-digit scorer next year. I just think its tough to predict that kind of thing. I admit I am not a guy who lives and relies much on hype. Some do. Im just a fact based kind of guy.
 
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