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Fife in Peoria today

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I know this has been addressed in another thread, but any comparison between IPFW and Bradley -- and the coaching records -- is apples to oranges.

IPFW is a buy game 4-5 times each season and is a commuter school with very limited resources and no tradition in a bad league.

I'm not saying Dane Fife should be the BU coach, but he shouldn't be dismissed because of his record (which has been progressively better) at IPFW.
 
I think Fife is an interesting candidate. Im not sure how serious the school may be in him.

As for comparing what he has done at an inferior school, IMO, to what he may be able to do here is not fair. You are not recruiting the same type of talent to the Summit league as you are the Valley. The fact that he has improved each year says a lot to me.

Like some on here, I am not going to get overly excited about the coaches they are interviewing. I will get excited when they make a decision and hire someone.
 
BradleyBrave said:
He does have an overall winning record in conference play though. ...
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hmmm..just wonder -- in that same interval -- what was Jim Les' record against the same Summit League opponents that Fife racked up that tremendous 37-35 record against?....?

most Summit League teams we have never lost to in all of our history and most of the others Bradley has whopping, lopsided dominance over (like WIU, Centenary, North Dakota St., etc..)...so remind me how that proves anything about IPFW when he is barely above .500 against the same foes?

I think we can find plenty of other candidates with more impressive resumes...
 
tornado said:
hmmm..just wonder -- in that same interval -- what was Jim Les' record against the same Summit League opponents that Fife racked up that tremendous 37-35 record against?....?

most Summit League teams we have never lost to in all of our history and most of the others Bradley has whopping, lopsided dominance over (like WIU, Centenary, North Dakota St., etc..)...so remind me how that proves anything about IPFW when he is barely above .500 against the same foes?

I think we can find plenty of other candidates with more impressive resumes...
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This is not a relevant argument. If you feel that IUPUFW's players were of equal talent to those of Bradley, then this becomes a relevant argument. I do agree that there are more qualified candidates for BU.
 
bigdaddystuck said:
I think Fife is an interesting candidate. Im not sure how serious the school may be in him.

As for comparing what he has done at an inferior school, IMO, to what he may be able to do here is not fair. You are not recruiting the same type of talent to the Summit league as you are the Valley. The fact that he has improved each year says a lot to me.

Like some on here, I am not going to get overly excited about the coaches they are interviewing. I will get excited when they make a decision and hire someone.
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13-11, 13-12, 13-13, 13-14 (only an example of an improvement)...That's an improvement year after year. Does that say a lot to you? He had an incredibly mediocre record. He should not even be considered. I cannot believe that he is in Peoria being interviewed. My expectations for Dr. Cross are severely diminished.
 
hey -- I have no problems with giving the guy an interview -- if he is truly the best and MOST qualified guy we have who's interested, then we may just have to hire him....but that would say a lot for the supposed "strong field of candidates" we have heard about....
... but let's temper our enthusiasm to hire him on the spot because of his winning conference record

again -- I rhetorically ask....as we did in baseball and volleyball -- do we want to hire a new coach who has a career head coaching record of under .500 and/or very limited D-I experience? That's fine if nobody any better applies..but honestly -- we have to do a bit better...and the "atmosphere" at Bradley should be such that we should draw FAR stronger candidates...not saying it is but the atmosphere SHOULD BE
 
afan said:
13-11, 13-12, 13-13, 13-14 (only an example of an improvement)...That's an improvement year after year. Does that say a lot to you? He had an incredibly mediocre record. He should not even be considered. I cannot believe that he is in Peoria being interviewed. My expectations for Dr. Cross are severely diminished.
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afan..come on man....

He hasnt hired or offered the job to him that we know...

maybe he did it as a favor, or maybe he is totally serious...

But to criticize cross, for interviewing someone, seems pretty reactionary.
 
tornado said:
hey -- I have no problems with giving the guy an interview -- if he is truly the best and MOST qualified guy we have who's interested, then we may just have to hire him....but that would say a lot for the supposed "strong field of candidates" we have heard about....
... but let's temper our enthusiasm to hire him on the spot because of his winning conference record
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I agree with you on this..

I hope he would work out better on the records I value, but it doesnt seem a statement hire, and he is youuuuuuuuuuuuung.
 
tornado said:
hey -- I have no problems with giving the guy an interview -- if he is truly the best and MOST qualified guy we have who's interested, then we may just have to hire him....but that would say a lot for the supposed "strong field of candidates" we have heard about....
... but let's temper our enthusiasm to hire him on the spot because of his winning conference record
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This "scares" me.. I don't think that we should have even interviewed him. Sorry coach, nothing personal.
 
Remy will be tough to replace, but i'm sure their is several thousand decent to good basketball players looking for a place to play ball next season. A good recruiter should be able to reel 1 or 2 in within a couple months, especially with practicing in brand new facilities and a great education.

Jason
 
jasonpeoria911 said:
Remy will be tough to replace, but i'm sure their is several thousand decent to good basketball players looking for a place to play ball next season. A good recruiter should be able to reel 1 or 2 in within a couple months, especially with practicing in brand new facilities and a great education.

Jason
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several thousand? yeh...recruiting is a piece of cake ;)
 
jasonpeoria911 said:
Remy will be tough to replace, but i'm sure their is several thousand decent to good basketball players looking for a place to play ball next season. A good recruiter should be able to reel 1 or 2 in within a couple months, especially with practicing in brand new facilities and a great education.

Jason
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I think you are grossly underestimating the recruiting process. First off finding guys that fit your system, then getting to know players, and becoming someone they are comfortable with, finally having them commit. It's a long process, and especially at this time with hundreds of players already committed to schools all over the country, whoever is BU's next coach will have a major rebuilding task ahead of him.
 
tornado said:
More speculating on candidates -- I like Lick, Graves, and a few of the others...
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/2633/plenty-of-candidates-for-open-coaching-jobs
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PLEASE!!! No Lickliter! If anyone is to be avoided, it's him.
He has no personality and probably wouldn't connect as well as other candidates with student-athletes. He seemed burnt out at Iowa - this would be an absolute downgrade. Not sure how he succeeded at Butler, but if "what have you done for me lately" is at work, he is at the bottom of my list.
 
tornado said:
More speculating on candidates -- I like Lick, Graves, and a few of the others...
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/2633/plenty-of-candidates-for-open-coaching-jobs
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If we are committed to winning then even this list is easy to winnow down for interviews.

Strong Candidates for high priority interview from this list in no particular order:

Gard
Lusk
Montgomery

Interview these candidates but lower priority to keepOUR options open
Graves
Howard
Lickliter

Coach who I bet will get an interview whom I am not sold on:
Cooley
 
LittleBrave said:
PLEASE!!! No Lickliter! If anyone is to be avoided, it's him.
He has no personality and probably wouldn't connect as well as other candidates with student-athletes. He seemed burnt out at Iowa - this would be an absolute downgrade. Not sure how he succeeded at Butler, but if "what have you done for me lately" is at work, he is at the bottom of my list.
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I guess every one has a no way person. I am fine with Lickliter. My no way is Keno.
 
The recruiting comment is silly. Its just not that easy and there are not that many good players hanging around in April without a firm idea where they will be going in August. This becomes a very dangerous situation if you have too many open slots. You want to fill the roster but you don't want to sign marginal players that you "live with" for 4 years. Right now the roster is full but with any more players leaving we are left with holes to fill.
 
I just don't see the case for Fife. He doesn't have a good record and yes I think it is relevant. The school does not have nearly the tradition or resources that BU does but the competition is very poor in that league. I also wonder if we know if he can really recruit. At IPFW he does not seem to have drawn great recruits (and it would be hard to do at that university) so I think he is an unknown.

By all reports he is a good guy and we would not have to worry about violations of NCAA rules. He is personable, but I just don't see that as enough.

In the end he could work out and be a great coach but it is a bit of a "Hail Mary"-it might work out but you are not playing the percentages.

If he gets hired I will support him but again (as I said with Hinson)-I don't think you pay JL a bunch of money, lose players, potentially lose recruits, anger some donors and run off a local legend to move from JL to Fife. It is not a move that makes any sense to me.
 
If the guy did never finish above 4th in a worse conference, then I definitely don't want him. I guess my profile of our future would be one of the following:

-head coach who's killing it in a lower level conference and wants a step up
-assistant a major school with a winning history
-former head coach who had successful midmajor run but didn't quite translate success to a BCS school

The first two are preferable for our hire. Third profile not so much since I'd prefer so new blood.
 
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