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Indiana State 80-BU 66

srw said:
I dont know about metrics etc.

But I will tell you this...This team can't possibly be young every year.Its sort of ridiculous.

Someone that is on the youth bandwagon. Please tell me when they were last "mature" or "old"
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<Crickets chirping>
 
BradleyBrave said:
Agreed.

Should anything happen if those expectations aren't met?
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nothing is going to happen plus I see no way we finish top 5 of the league because we have virtually no bench, I do not believe in the our guys will be tired if they play too many minutes a game theory as years ago before there were tv. time outs the best players never came out unless they were in foul trouble, these guys are 18-23 years old and should be able to play 40 minutes if needed , by using the 4 minute game time outs and using the bench ones that you get there is no reason why players need more rest and especially for this team as our production drops off too much after our 7th man.
 
BradleyBrave said:
If you go back to page 2 of this thread with people trying to explain away the poor road performance, the 'youth' excuse was brought out. Unfortunately, Indiana St is significantly younger than our Braves according to squirrel's metric.

(Also, I may be wrong, but I don't think squirrel's metric counts SM and TB, as squirrel mentioned that adding TB wouldn't change it much.)

And we do have one of the oldest, most experienced teams in the league. The metrics and age prove that. Is there any other team with a soon-to-be 24 year old point guard and a 23 year old shooting guard? :-o
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ok now its age and not experience...
 
mrcoachdude said:
So Sam is counted...but really the argument is not the data here, because it proves my point, that we are not one of the most experienced teams in the Valley...
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Squirrel's metric says we are one of the most experienced team in the MVC, even with counting Sam in 6 games. We have played 13 though. Probably just 'funny math'.

Squirrel's metric also says we lost embarrassingly to one of the younger teams in the league in Indiana St. What's our excuse for that one?

The sun comes up in the east. Modern science has confirmed this. Is that disputable as well? We can't let proven facts get in the way now can we? :-o

Still waiting for the answer on the Singh/Prosser question, and the answer as to when we've ever been 'old' and 'mature'...
 
mrcoachdude said:
ok now its age and not experience...
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It's both. The original argument on page 2 was that we were both. You defended that position. We aren't young and aren't inexperienced. That position has been proven repeatedly as incorrect.

Quick question - If our players were all 25 and played college basketball for 7 years would they be any better?
 
BradleyBrave said:
If you go back to page 2 of this thread with people trying to explain away the poor road performance, the 'youth' excuse was brought out. Unfortunately, Indiana St is significantly younger than our Braves according to squirrel's metric.

(Also, I may be wrong, but I don't think squirrel's metric counts SM and TB, as squirrel mentioned that adding TB wouldn't change it much.)

And we do have one of the oldest, most experienced teams in the league. The metrics and age prove that. Is there any other team with a soon-to-be 24 year old point guard and a 23 year old shooting guard? :-o
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I am looking for those other older guards for you...but one team in the valley has two 6'8" inside players that are 23 and soon to be 24 yrs old...how old are ours? 19? and 21 almost 22.
 
mrcoachdude said:
I am looking for those other older guards for you...but one team in the valley has two 6'8" inside players that are 23 and soon to be 24 yrs old...how old are ours? 19? and 21 almost 22.
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Ok, let's talk about post players. Didn't know we had to be the oldest or most experienced at every position to expect to be good, but ok.

Indiana St's best post player against us was a redshirt freshman (RJ Mahurin). :-o

Egolf and Thompson are roughly the same age as Ellis and Blair. :-o

Durley and Prosser's numbers were a wash. :-o

If we're going to make excuses, we might as well make them for the whole season...

How old were those EIU post players? (starters were both sophs) :-o

What about WCU? (true freshman and a senior) :-o

Never let the facts get in the way...lack of experience isn't why we're bad! We've got plenty of experience!
 
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After reading both arguments, it is abundantly clear that BBrave has made the convincing undisputable argument and not even the biggest kool aid drinkers on this board can deflect his thorough analysis. Judge fanatic rules in favor of Bbrave and we can now close this discussion. Lets win a game tomorrow night
 
chitown fanatic said:
After reading both arguments, it is abundantly clear that BBrave has made the convincing undisputable argument and not even the biggest kool aid drinkers on this board can deflect his thorough analysis. Judge fanatic rules in favor of Bbrave and we can now close this discussion. Lets win a game tomorrow night
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The problem is BB thinks I am making an excuse....I am not...just stating that he is wrong with his assurtion that we are one of the oldest most experienced teams in the Valley...when we are in reality in the middle of the pack and maybe just a shade below middle...

BB why did we lose to Ind St? Just my opinion:

1. To many early turnovers against a team that was shooting lights out.
2. WE got into foul trouble and when AT was in, he was the only big playing..wasn't pretty.
3. Zone D wasn't working all that well..

No excuses...just an opinion...
 
mrcoachdude said:
The problem is BB thinks I am making an excuse....I am not...just stating that he is wrong with his assurtion that we are one of the oldest most experienced teams in the Valley...when we are in reality in the middle of the pack and maybe just a shade below middle...

BB why did we lose to Ind St? Just my opinion:

1. To many early turnovers against a team that was shooting lights out.
2. WE got into foul trouble and when AT was in, he was the only big playing..wasn't pretty.
3. Zone D wasn't working all that well..

No excuses...just an opinion...
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Agree that our problems run much deeper than whether or not we're the most experienced team or not. I'll chalk it up to too much spare time over Christmas break! ;)

MVC win #1 tonight!
 
Buesch N Chips said:
Whatever gets you through the night. It's more like fiction vs. fiction. Negative spin, positive spin, somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
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We talking BU Basketball or UFO's?? ;-);-);-)

(Sorry T just had to throw that in, please don't respond or this thread will be deleted!)...
 
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