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Reggie Miller - is he HOF or no??

Not an HOFer in my world. Just a better than average NBA player who was forced to be "the man" on mediocre teams. He wouldn't have even been a star on many teams.
 
In Reggie's defense -- he perennially played on talent deficient teams and had to shoulder the load, he was loyal and didn't beg to be paid more by the highest bidder
 
B4L I have to disagree. I was not a big fan of his but the guy could flat out play and was never afraid to take a big shot! HOFer IMO and so is his sister.;-)
 
Braves4Life said:
Not an HOFer in my world. Just a better than average NBA player who was forced to be "the man" on mediocre teams. He wouldn't have even been a star on many teams.
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Medicore, as in his 18 seasons with the Pacers (all with one team), as in being an enemy of Knick fans with his clutch 3-pointers (the contention rivaling MJ at the time), as in being a 5x All-Star, as in leading his team to the Eastern Conference Finals five times, leading his team to the playoffs 15 times missing only three times in his entire career (before Indiana only made the postseason twice in the NBA),as in helping the Pacers to their first (and only appearance) to the NBA Finals. Yeah, that's the definition of mediocre teams right there...

We're not talking Bob Horry here. Sure it's great to get "the ring," but the ring only proves that you were on a superior team. Just because Adam Morrison has two more than LeBron doesn't make him any better of a player, he was lucky.
 
Reggie is top 15 in scoring all time in the NBA, all time 3pt leader until this week. While maybe not 1st ballot he is a hall of famer
 
He never won a championship, which some use as an argument to disqualify a player, but I think he deserves to be in.

Remember the Naismith Basketball HOF is not just an NBA thing. It encompasses a candidate's entire career, college, Olympic, and pro, and all other contributions he made to the game.
http://www.hoophall.com/

Reggie had a tremendous college career at UCLA. He finished as the 2nd all-time scorer at UCLA, second only to Kareem Jabbar. And he still holds many UCLA records. He was a member of the gold medal-winning Olympic men's basketball team in 1996 and of the US national team for the 1994 and the 2002 FIBA World championships.

stats-
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millere01.html
 
I am more curious how Jim Valvano gets nominated?

Though Valvano was a good coach I can't believe his career as a head coach was hall of fame worthy. 346 -210 overall. And he was only 71-69 within the ACC.

One NCAA win and 9 over all appearances 19 seasons as a head coach

Compare that to Guy V Lewis.

592-279 in 30 years 27 straight winning seasons 14 seasons with 20 or more wins 14 NCAA tournaments, 5 final 4's and 2 finals appearances.

Heck Steve Fisher has had a better career then Valvano.

403-230 overall 10 NCAA appearances 1 NCAA championship, 1 NIT championship and 2 NCAA runner ups and I have very high doubts Steve Fisher ever gets nominated for the basketball hall of fame.
 
I agree, but again the criteria for this HOF are much more subjective than for most other sports HOFs.

Here are the people enshrined in the Naismith HOF-
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers-index/

There are a lot of people who are real obscure, and most fans have never heard of, including women who were early pioneers in their sport, referees, European players, and other "contributors".
 
Reggie has one NBA Finals appearance but no ring and his performances in the playoffs were always great -- with his scoring average in the playoffs being 2 ppg better than his career scoring average.

He also has 5 All Star appearances, over 25,000 points

When you consider that guys like Dennis Rodman (6683 career points, only two All Star Games), Maurice Cheeks (12195 career points), Jamaal Wilkes (14644 career points), Ralph Sampson (7039 career points, injury plagued NBA career - playing only 3 complete seasons, no ring), and Chris Mullin (17900 pts, no ring) ARE on the list of NBA Hall of Fame finalists...then Reggie did get jobbed. His stats and overall claims to the HOF trump all of this year's candidates.
Reggie also is in the ALL TIME Career Top 20 in seven NBA statistics...
Games (7th), Minutes played (7th), 3-pt FG (2nd), 3-pt FG attempts (1st), T's (14th), T pct. (8th), Min. played per game (5th).
But Reggie was not in a big time TV market and made some enemies -- especialy in New York where the epicenter of NBA power lies...
 
tornado said:
When you consider that guys like Dennis Rodman (6683 career points, only two All Star Games), Maurice Cheeks (12195 career points), Jamaal Wilkes (14644 career points), Ralph Sampson (7039 career points, injury plagued NBA career - playing only 3 complete seasons, no ring), and Chris Mullin (17900 pts, no ring) ARE on the list of NBA Hall of Fame finalists...then Reggie did get jobbed.
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I would put Miller above Rodman, Sampson, and Mullin. He's definitely more worthy than them.
 
The HOF committee considers many facets of how a candidate contributed to the game of basketball.
Rodman, Sampson, and Mullin were all pretty good. But I agree, Reggie Miller at least belongs on the HOF ballot if any of these 3 do.

Dennis Rodman was one of the greatest rebounders of the last 50 years in the NBA. He lead the NBA in rebounding for 7 seasons in a row (1991-1998), and is #1 in NBA history in rebound percentage. He is a 2-time Defensive POY. And he also has 5 NBA Championships (2 with the Pistons, 3 with Bulls). In Elo rankings, he ranks as the 50th best player in NBA history. Most Top 50 eligible players are in the Hall of Fame. Reggie Miller ranks #47 on the list.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodmade01.html

Ralph Sampson was a dominating college player. He won the AP Player of the Year 3 straight times, the Naismith College Player of the Year 3 straight times, and the Wooden Award twice. No other player in college history has ever come close to doing that. He was Rookie of the Year in the NBA in 1984 and the MVP of the NBA All-Star game in 1985. After that, he was never a great NBA player, but injuries had a lot to do with that. He ranks at #200 on the Elo All-time list.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sampsra01.html

Chris Mullin was a high school McDonald's All American, and an All American at St. Johns twice, and a 3-time Big East POY. He won the Wooden Award as the best college player in 1985. And he was a 4-time NBA All-Star. Mullin was a great shooter, and averged over 50% shooting for 8 of his 16 seasons in the NBA, something that is rare today for a 3-point shooter. He is ranked #66 on the All-Time Elo rankings.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html

Personally, I think Rodman does belong in the HOF, though because of his personal life, he might not get in. I don't think Sampson belongs in the HOF.
Mullin and (eventually) Miller are toss-ups. But I suspect an Eastern bias may work in Mullin's favor and against Miller.

The others on the ballot are:
Players Maurice Cheeks, and Jamaal Wilkes; coaches Herb Magee, Dick Motta and Morice "Tex" Winter; and contributors Al Attles -- who was affiliated with the Golden State Warriors for 50 years -- and Hank Nichols, a longtime referee, and women's player Teresa Edwards and Coach Tara VanDerveer.​
 
tornado said:
Reggie has one NBA Finals appearance but no ring and his performances in the playoffs were always great -- with his scoring average in the playoffs being 2 ppg better than his career scoring average.

He also has 5 All Star appearances, over 25,000 points

When you consider that guys like Dennis Rodman (6683 career points, only two All Star Games), Maurice Cheeks (12195 career points), Jamaal Wilkes (14644 career points), Ralph Sampson (7039 career points, injury plagued NBA career - playing only 3 complete seasons, no ring), and Chris Mullin (17900 pts, no ring) ARE on the list of NBA Hall of Fame finalists...then Reggie did get jobbed. His stats and overall claims to the HOF trump all of this year's candidates.
Reggie also is in the ALL TIME Career Top 20 in seven NBA statistics...
Games (7th), Minutes played (7th), 3-pt FG (2nd), 3-pt FG attempts (1st), T's (14th), T pct. (8th), Min. played per game (5th).
But Reggie was not in a big time TV market and made some enemies -- especialy in New York where the epicenter of NBA power lies...
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Miller really is a borderline case, but he should probably be there based on his three point production alone. Personally, I'm ambivalent, but for him not to even be on the ballot is a travesty.

Using Rodman as example is simply way off base. Rodman is UNDOUBTEDLY a HOFer, far more of a lock than Reggie Miller. You are talking about the greatest rebounder in NBA history. Second isn't even close. He also won five titles and you can make a very strong titles that those championships weren't won without him. Extremely valuable to his team.

Say what you want about him personally, you can't leave him out of the hall.
 
runninfiend said:
Miller really is a borderline case.....
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here are just a few examples of people who are ALREADY IN the Basketball Hall of Fame....and you tell me if they accomplished more or DID more for the game than Reggie Miller.....

-Tom Barlow
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/thomas-b-tom-barlow

-Sergei Belov
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/sergei-a-belov

-Al Cervi
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/alfred-n-al-cervi

-Kresimir Cosic
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/kresimir-cosic

-Adrian Dantley
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/adrian-dantley

-Clyde Drexler
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/clyde-drexler

-Joe Dumars
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/joe-dumars

-Gus Johnson
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/gus-johnson

-Earl Monroe
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/vernon-earl-monroe

-Drazen Petrovic
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/drazen-petrovic

- 5ft-4in Barney Sedran
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/barney-sedran

and..
-Cheryl Miller
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/cheryl-miller
 
I grew up in Indiana and loved Reggie Miller and the Pacers - so my bias is out there up front about this topic.

That said, the thing that bothers me is that they didn't even put him on this year's ballot.

I'm ok if he isn't selected on the first ballot, but as other have pointed out, he's probably more deserving than just about any player on the ballot this year.
 
tornado said:
here are just a few examples of people who are ALREADY IN the Basketball Hall of Fame....and you tell me if they accomplished more or DID more for the game than Reggie Miller.....

-Tom Barlow
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/thomas-b-tom-barlow

-Sergei Belov
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/sergei-a-belov

-Al Cervi
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/alfred-n-al-cervi

-Kresimir Cosic
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/kresimir-cosic

-Adrian Dantley
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/adrian-dantley

-Clyde Drexler
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/clyde-drexler

-Joe Dumars
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/joe-dumars

-Gus Johnson
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/gus-johnson

-Earl Monroe
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/vernon-earl-monroe

-Drazen Petrovic
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/drazen-petrovic

- 5ft-4in Barney Sedran
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/barney-sedran

and..
-Cheryl Miller
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/cheryl-miller
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Eh, the comparison of the old-timers and international players to Miller is useless, just way too different. Miller certainly belongs in ahead of someone like Dantley--great player but his numbers aren't that great. Dumars is also borderline in my mind, although an all-time great defender, he's a tough case to make. I don't mind if Miller gets in, it would be on his three point prowess alone, but if he doesn't it's not an affront to justice.
 
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