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All-MVC 2009-10

electricmayhem said:
SM led the team with 32.8 mpg last year, but with AW coming back, I don't see him getting more than 25, if JL uses EM at the point. These were the guards minutes last year...

SM - 32.8
DD - 26.8
CR - 25.9 -- I realize he'll play the three some this year
EM - 25.0

Now add AW, DSE and JE to the mix, and what happens?

Look, I love SM and I'm probably going to take heat for this, but of the seven guards in that list, he probably ranks 6th or 7th in talent. That equates to a severe reduction in minutes. DSE and JE probably won't get huge minutes as frosh, and somebody correctly mentioned that injuries happen, but am I missing something? Do we not have way too many guards for the minutes?
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Sam "6th or 7th" in talent" DUDE you just blew all credilbility!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
First of all, I never said he'd be the 6th option in the backcourt. My point is that if you line up strictly talent, he isn't better than any guard we have. Does he have intangibles? Yes. Is he a good leader? Yes. If you refer to my earlier post, I think he'll end up with 20-22 minutes per game, and I'll stick to that.

Just because someone is 6th in talent doesn't mean he's the 6th best guard. I agree, the rookies won't play a lot early. You guys can't honestly say that you think SM has more talent than AW, DD, or CR. I haven't seen much of the rookies, but I know JE and DSE are big talents. EM played better than SM during the Valley season.

That's all I'm saying. I'm not suggesting benching SM... I just think he'll fall to 20-22 minutes per game.
 
Always check on and enjoy this board as it usually is very informative without all of the b.s. content of some other boards......dare I say VT?

Just my two cents, but we Sycamore fans expect Harry Marshall to have a pretty good senior year. Think he will probably get some notice along the way.

:D
 
SycamoreFanatic said:
Always check on and enjoy this board as it usually is very informative without all of the b.s. content of some other boards......dare I say VT?

Just my two cents, but we Sycamore fans expect Harry Marshall to have a pretty good senior year. Think he will probably get some notice along the way.

:D
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Tks again SycFanatic.

I don't hang out at ValleyTalk, rarely hit the site. Only time I actually ever go there on my own is to catch some in-game updates for other MVC teams if I can't get an online feed (ex: UNI doesn't allow free online audio).

Good luck to your Trees this season. ;)
 
Regarding the Bradley guards.....I'd be comfortable with the following minutes next season.

AW - 30
SM - 26
CR - 22
DD - 22
EM - 20

DSE and JE will have to work themselves into the rotation as there just aren't enough minutes.

I'd also like to see the other minutes go something like this...

WE - 24
SS - 16

AT will have to work himself into the rotation.

TB - 18
JP - 14
MK - 8
 
shaunguth said:
Regarding the Bradley guards.....I'd be comfortable with the following minutes next season.

AW - 30
SM - 26
CR - 22
DD - 22
EM - 20

DSE and JE will have to work themselves into the rotation as there just aren't enough minutes.

I'd also like to see the other minutes go something like this...

WE - 24
SS - 16

AT will have to work himself into the rotation.

TB - 18
JP - 14
MK - 8
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This isn't a bad mix, but like you said, this is with JE, DSE and AT getting 0 minutes. Those guard minutes have to come from somewhere...

What are the chances that DSE redshirts this season?
 
It was all summed up in one line with SFP earlier post. EM has to learn how to shoot the 3 before he can become a starting pointguard over SM. He is not at all an offensive threat. SM will be one and he is just as good of a passer. Also I do in fact think SM has as much talent as DD and CR. You are right he doesnt have as much talent as AW but DD isn't much more "athletic" than SM and what does CR do that makes him so much more talented basketball wise than SM. I'd be very upset and frustrated if SM doesn't get the majority of minutes at point. You asked who's minutes will go down and truthfully it'll probably be EM's and SM's minutes will go down at the 2. DD will probably be splitting with CR quite a bit as well.
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
It was all summed up in one line with SFP earlier post. EM has to learn how to shoot the 3 before he can become a starting pointguard over SM. He is not at all an offensive threat. SM will be one and he is just as good of a passer. Also I do in fact think SM has as much talent as DD and CR. You are right he doesnt have as much talent as AW but DD isn't much more "athletic" than SM and what does CR do that makes him so much more talented basketball wise than SM. I'd be very upset and frustrated if SM doesn't get the majority of minutes at point. You asked who's minutes will go down and truthfully it'll probably be EM's and SM's minutes will go down at the 2. DD will probably be splitting with CR quite a bit as well.
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I respectfully disagree that EM has to learn to shoot the 3 to be the starting PG over SM. First, your point guard doesn't have to be a great shooter... you probably want him passing more anyway. SM averaged 12.3ppg in league play, but shot only 39% from the floor.

EM was the starting PG for the entire league season... SM started 15 of the 18 games, and was used as a 2 more than a 1. EM had more assists, but many more turnovers, and he couldn't throw the ball in the ocean from a boat last year. I'm sure that will improve.

CR shoots and rebounds better than SM - I'm not asking SM to crash the boards, but 4 offensive rebounds all season? He's truly a perimeter player, where CR can play all over the floor. CR was our second-leading rebounder last year.
 
CR is not a better shooter then SM IMO. CR does rebound better and plays better D but when it came to creating a game ending play we always went to SM except for that great shot against Oakland. EM was starting at point because we needed him so SM could play the 2 without AW. Yes we need a 1 that is willing to take a wide open 3 from the top of the key regardless. Other wise teams will sag off which will make our passing game and slashing into the paint that much harder. Electricitymayhem I just have a completely perspective of what we need in order to contend for the MVC next year. I guess we'll find out when the season begins and until then we'll have fun discussing it.:wink:
 
I think EM is a slightly better shooter then we might think he is. Confidence will go along way for him and I believe that will come as he matures.

Also, we see it alot with underclassman, he seemed to "defer" alot to others when it came to taking the shot. I bet/hope as a soph. he'll start taking and making a few more shots at a decent percentage.

He also can get to the rim and i believe he was a decent finisher that will only get better in THAT area also.
 
electricmayhem said:
I respectfully disagree that EM has to learn to shoot the 3 to be the starting PG over SM. First, your point guard doesn't have to be a great shooter... you probably want him passing more anyway. SM averaged 12.3ppg in league play, but shot only 39% from the floor.

EM was the starting PG for the entire league season... SM started 15 of the 18 games, and was used as a 2 more than a 1. EM had more assists, but many more turnovers, and he couldn't throw the ball in the ocean from a boat last year. I'm sure that will improve.

CR shoots and rebounds better than SM - I'm not asking SM to crash the boards, but 4 offensive rebounds all season? He's truly a perimeter player, where CR can play all over the floor. CR was our second-leading rebounder last year.
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Yeah I understand what you are saying. I know CR is more athletic than SM but really I don't like to compare the two because they will not be fighting for time. They are two totally different basketball players...you know that. And yes SM had 4 rebounds, he is vertically challenged and he did play the 2 more like you said and in this offense JL likes the guards to get back after they shoot which no doubt led to very few rebounds for SM since he was often the one shooting. Also, you said he was no doubt a perimeter player and that he shot 39% from the floor. I'm pretty happy with a point guard (for next season) who can shoot 39% from the floor if they were often around the perimeter. The stuff you wrote about EM is exactly why I wouldn't like it if he were the starting PG next season. You have to remember SM was indeed playing out of position most of last season. And I agree with SFP...i really don't think CR is a better overall shooter than SM. If CR had the other teams #1 defender every game he probably would've been close to non-existant...and in fact in some games he was non-existant. Lastly, I understand you don't want your PG taking a lot of 3's but really in this JL offense it's almost a necessity. We don't have a lot of talent/experience in the "bigs" department..if we did yeah get a good passing pg and you don't need them to shoot. But in this 3 point parade offense you need that point guard to be a 3pt threat to spread it out for everyone else. Teams were almost literally leaving EM completely unguarded at times when he was behind the arc...it was a little ridiculous actually.

That's all I got. Agree to disagree. I'd be shocked and very upset if SM isn't the starting point guard next season. But let me ask you this....do you really think SM will indeed come off the bench next season behind EM? Just wondering if you really think that, or if you are just making a case for it.
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
Yeah I understand what you are saying. I know CR is more athletic than SM but really I don't like to compare the two because they will not be fighting for time. They are two totally different basketball players...you know that. And yes SM had 4 rebounds, he is vertically challenged and he did play the 2 more like you said and in this offense JL likes the guards to get back after they shoot which no doubt led to very few rebounds for SM since he was often the one shooting. Also, you said he was no doubt a perimeter player and that he shot 39% from the floor. I'm pretty happy with a point guard (for next season) who can shoot 39% from the floor if they were often around the perimeter. The stuff you wrote about EM is exactly why I wouldn't like it if he were the starting PG next season. You have to remember SM was indeed playing out of position most of last season. And I agree with SFP...i really don't think CR is a better overall shooter than SM. If CR had the other teams #1 defender every game he probably would've been close to non-existant...and in fact in some games he was non-existant. Lastly, I understand you don't want your PG taking a lot of 3's but really in this JL offense it's almost a necessity. We don't have a lot of talent/experience in the "bigs" department..if we did yeah get a good passing pg and you don't need them to shoot. But in this 3 point parade offense you need that point guard to be a 3pt threat to spread it out for everyone else. Teams were almost literally leaving EM completely unguarded at times when he was behind the arc...it was a little ridiculous actually.

That's all I got. Agree to disagree. I'd be shocked and very upset if SM isn't the starting point guard next season. But let me ask you this....do you really think SM will indeed come off the bench next season behind EM? Just wondering if you really think that, or if you are just making a case for it.
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Great post Bradleyguy. I will agree to disagree on some of those points. That's what makes this great... nobody is ever right or wrong. Just for the record, I'm not satisfied with anyone shooting 39%, especially if he is supposed to be respected as a shooter.

I don't know if I think EM will start or not... if I was guessing, I'd say SM will start a majority of the games. I still think he's best suited playing 20-22 minutes as the first reserve guard. Start EM, CR and AW, and bring SM as the first guard off the bench.
 
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