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All Valley Selections

amckillip said:
Yeah, I want players who help me win, not those who only look out for themselves. I would much rather have ILSU players like Champ Oguchi, or Dinma, both of which outperformed OE the last two years. I don't ever want a player who calls himself (or would allow himself to be called) 'King.'
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Sounds like sour grapes to me.

So I guess you're saying Jim was way off in going hard after Eldridge huh? I want the most talented players I can get. Osiris is one of the league's best, and JL was pretty disappointed not to get him.

BTW, Osiris's team has finished in the top 3 of the MVC 3 years in a row, and have been to 2 straight title games. His overall record for his career is 85-45, 41-31 in league play, and 4-3 in MVC Tournament play. I'd say he's won quite a bit in his career. More than anyone on our team by a wide margin.

Do you know why he's called 'King'? It's because the name 'Osiris' is the name of the King of Egyptian Gods in ancient mythology. Aside from having a mohawk for a season, I don't recall Osiris doing much trash-talking or fist-pumping, I just recall him playing basketball at a high level. He also has averaged more assists and rebounds than you think.
 
BradleyBrave said:
Sounds like sour grapes to me.

So I guess you're saying Jim was way off in going hard after Eldridge huh? I want the most talented players I can get. Osiris is one of the league's best, and JL was pretty disappointed not to get him.

BTW, Osiris's team has finished in the top 3 of the MVC 3 years in a row, and have been to 2 straight title games. His overall record for his career is 85-45, 41-31 in league play, and 4-3 in MVC Tournament play. I'd say he's won quite a bit in his career. More than anyone on our team by a wide margin.
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Haha, you really don't know me... Look at every player I've liked and disliked... I definitely think JL was wrong to spend a single minute talking to OE.

Anyway, I have said nothing about his team, but throw out overall record, as they have played a schedule so much easier than BU that its not a fair comparison. And correct me if I'm wrong but SS is like 7-5 in MVC Tourney games, won as many NIT games and has a sweet sixteen Ring, Warren has won as many NIT games and has another year left...
 
amckillip said:
Haha, you really don't know me... Look at every player I've liked and disliked... I definitely think JL was wrong to spend a single minute talking to OE.

Anyway, I have said nothing about his team, but throw out overall record, as they have played a schedule so much easier than BU that its not a fair comparison. And correct me if I'm wrong but SS is like 7-5 in MVC Tourney games, won as many NIT games and has a sweet sixteen Ring, Warren has won as many NIT games and has another year left...
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Better watch it...you might be branded a 'hater' by saying Les is talking to the wrong guys! I'm personally am glad he's going after guys as talented as Osiris.

You said he didn't win, and I showed that he did, so you can't say now that you're not talking about his team. How about conference record comparison? 41-31 against BU's in that time span. How about conference tournament record? How is that not apples to apples?

And Sam Singh? You can't be serious. Well, if you'd rather have Sam Singh than Osiris Eldridge than I don't know what to tell ya. I think that statement kind of speaks for itself...it's one for the ages really...

As far as Warren goes, well O has averaged more points, rebounds, assists, and steals in every season but this one (Warren got him in rebounds by .6 this year). He's also played in more real tournaments than AW (1 NIT vs 2 NITs). But hey, never let the facts (wins, stats) get in the way of a good argument!
 
BradleyBrave said:
Sounds like sour grapes to me....
BTW, Osiris's team has finished in the top 3 of the MVC 3 years in a row, and have been to 2 straight title games. His overall record for his career is 85-45, 41-31 in league play, and 4-3 in MVC Tournament play. I'd say he's won quite a bit in his career. More than anyone on our team by a wide margin....
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Come on....when the critics take their shots at Bradley and Jim Les, it's always about "how many titles has he won?", or "1st place is all that counts", or "we don't care about NIT, CBI, CIT, or any other eieio tournaments"


So tell me what has Osiris ever won? How may NCAA games has he taken ISU to? I don't care about no "almosts".
 
amckillip said:
Sam almost shot as well from 3-pt land as OE did from the field. OE had a sub 1 A/TO ratio. OE shot 39% from the field in valley play and lost the ball more than he created shots for his team... Sam shot 50% from the field and for every ball his lost, he created 4 points for his team and Sam outscored OE by about half a point. OE did have a rebound over Sam a game, and at the end of the day, OE is no better guarding a 2-guard than Sam is guarding a PG. I guess all that chest beating, trash talking, and shot chucking got OE somewhere... but he has yet to be the best player on his own team.
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All this incoherent rambling has what exactly to do with OE's defense?

Your bitter disappointment and hatred for OE is rather disturbing-but hey whatever gets you through. Your criticism's of his "chest beating, trash talking, shot chucking" not only are off base entirely but they sound rather childish. Plus.......they couldn't be further from the truth.
 
Da Coach said:
How many times has Osiris been preseason POY? And now he has gone 4 seasons without the real POY prize. Will he taste an NCAA game?
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Twice he's been pre-season POY.

In 4 years he's been named Freshman of the Year, 3 times he's been named 1st-Team All MVC and twice All-MVC Defense. What a horrible career he's had. Who is the last player from the "Hilltop" that approached these milestones. I ask not as a smart aleck because I really don't recall. Parker?
 
Da Coach said:
Come on....when the critics take their shots at Bradley and Jim Les, it's always about "how many titles has he won?", or "1st place is all that counts", or "we don't care about NIT, CBI, CIT, or any other eieio tournaments"


So tell me what has Osiris ever won? How may NCAA games has he taken ISU to? I don't care about no "almosts".
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Now DC, I have to accuse you as being the one making it a Jim Les conversation. ;) It wasn't previously. And you know as well as I do wins and titles count for coaches more than players. Players don't get fired for not winning titles.

I haven't heard too many people say the NIT's don't count. They're no NCAA's, but I think we can all agree that it's a level above the CBI or CIT in prestige, quality, and tradition. I also think a lot of people who complained about the previous regime going to too many NIT's perhaps realize now that wasn't so bad after all. We have a rich history with the NIT, and it's still a respected tournament. Let's not belittle it.

But I digress. amckillip said Osiris didn't help his team win. I merely pointed out that teams he played on won quite a bit, and he was an integral, if not a primary reason they were so successful.
 
BradleyBrave said:
Now DC, I have to accuse you as being the one making it a Jim Les conversation. ;) It wasn't previously. And you know as well as I do wins and titles count for coaches more than players. Players don't get fired for not winning titles.

I haven't heard too many people say the NIT's don't count. They're no NCAA's, but I think we can all agree that it's a level above the CBI or CIT in prestige, quality, and tradition. I also think a lot of people who complained about the previous regime going to too many NIT's perhaps realize now that wasn't so bad after all. We have a rich history with the NIT, and it's still a respected tournament. Let's not belittle it.

But I digress. amckillip said Osiris didn't help his team win. I merely pointed out that teams he played on won quite a bit, and he was an integral, if not a primary reason they were so successful.
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I would say that any of those teams would have been more successful had they had, SM, AW, TB, TW, DR, JC, WF, Boogie or many of the other players we've had who haven't been as highly touted as OE...
 
DannyCooksey said:
Twice he's been pre-season POY.

In 4 years he's been named Freshman of the Year, 3 times he's been named 1st-Team All MVC and twice All-MVC Defense. What a horrible career he's had. Who is the last player from the "Hilltop" that approached these milestones. I ask not as a smart aleck because I really don't recall. Parker?
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Those milestones? I'm not sure, but we did have a lottery pick a few years back... If we're only going on individual non-subjective accomplishments. I respect you guys for liking OE and supporting your players, but trust me, my comments about OE are in no way jealousy, I am much happier King O is wearing an ILSU jersey as opposed to representing BU.
 
Let's agree that OE is a tremendous talent who had a good career that should have been great. He helped ISU become a good team that should have made the NCAA 2 years during O's tenure had he lived up to his extraordinary preseason hype. I still think he wasted an opportunity to be an ISU and MVC legend. P'Allen? He never showed anyone anything. He was just a BIG FAT FLOP! :!:
 
DannyCooksey said:
Twice he's been pre-season POY.

In 4 years he's been named Freshman of the Year, 3 times he's been named 1st-Team All MVC and twice All-MVC Defense. What a horrible career he's had. Who is the last player from the "Hilltop" that approached these milestones. I ask not as a smart aleck because I really don't recall. Parker?
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Since you brought up the comparison, Osiris can only hope to have a fraction of the successful career that Anthony Parker had.
Parker was POY in the MVC as a junior, and was preseason POY his senior year, and would easily have won the award again if he had not broken his foot.
Parker also lead Bradley to NCAA as a junior, and the NIT as a senior. His 1st round NBA draft pick, and multiple Player of the Year awards in the Euroleague, and MVP of the Euroleague Final Four, as well as his long pro and NBA careers have earned him many millions of dollars. I think he'll add an NBA title to his credentials this year, too.

As far as players since AP, I would say that Darren Brooks' back to back Player of the Year awards, All-Defensive team awards, as well as his multiple NCAA appearances is far more impressive than the unfulfilled hype of OE's career.
 
amckillip said:
Those milestones? I'm not sure, but we did have a lottery pick a few years back... If we're only going on individual non-subjective accomplishments. I respect you guys for liking OE and supporting your players, but trust me, my comments about OE are in no way jealousy, I am much happier King O is wearing an ILSU jersey as opposed to representing BU.
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POB was the Defensive POY in 2006. Being a lottery pick has no relevance whatsoever in this discussion.

Had Osiris chosen BU instead of ISU you'd be fawning all over him.
 
Da Coach said:
Since you brought up the comparison, Osiris can only hope to have a fraction of the successful career that Anthony Parker had.
Parker was POY in the MVC as a junior, and was preseason POY his senior year, and would easily have won the award again if he had not broken his foot.
Parker also lead Bradley to NCAA as a junior, and the NIT as a senior. His 1st round NBA draft pick, and multiple Player of the Year awards in the Euroleague, and MVP of the Euroleague Final Four, as well as his long pro and NBA careers have earned him many millions of dollars. I think he'll add an NBA title to his credentials this year, too.

As far as players since AP, I would say that Darren Brooks' back to back Player of the Year awards, All-Defensive team awards, as well as his multiple NCAA appearances is far more impressive than the unfulfilled hype of OE's career.
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I agree with these statements. AP was a special player. Brooks was as solid as they come.
 
BradleyBrave said:
Had Osiris chosen BU instead of ISU you'd be fawning all over him.
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Your wrong. Period. End of Discussion.

Go look up my record of opinion on Daniel Ruffin. BB, you have solid basketball insight, but do not tell me what I would or would not think. I would not have liked OE. And DCooksey asked the last time we had someone who approached OE's milestones I consider an NBA lottery pick to be a higher milestone. I'll decide whats relevant in my posts.

Sorry if I'm coming off aggressive but I'm tired of being told my thoughts.
 
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