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Bradley 83 Creighton 92 - Final

I spotted a customer at work today wearing a Bradley shirt. I asked him if hes been to any games this year. He said he hasnt been to a game in three years and that Jim Les ruined the program. He also said they should have hired Wayne McClain. The point of this is that the "public" says a lot of things. Much of it is laughable and means nothing. Granted, my "public" was one person and not the thousands I'm sure some here are talking to.
 
panther12thman said:
Hard to believe we aren't better this year. We return our best player in TB, we have healthy DSE, we return experience in WL, JE and JP. We have 4 new recruits who were hyped and yet we use a closer than expected loss to Creighton as a mark that we are getting better. Pretty sad. The truth is that this staff hasn't done a very good job with this team. Of the recruits GF has brought in only one, SS, has played significant minutes and made any contribution, and at times that has been little. The loss of SM and WE obviously hurt, but it is tiring reading KW talk about how are talent level doesn't match other teams. I think GF will do a good job, especially when he brings in his own players, but for a guy who loves to run up and down the floor he has the players on his roster now who can do it, and except for ONE game they have not been able to do it. KW and DR keep saying how the team plays hard, yes they do - but that has always been a trademark of BU teams. Our sweet little President, bless her heart, expected more of this group you can count on that. One of the reasons she wanted JL out was she was afraid with what BU had coming back the team would be good this year and she wouldn't be able to fire him. A new guy would come in and reap the rewards of having a veteran team and make her look good - then SM left and WE got hurt - kind of jumped up and backfired on her.

Good luck to GF and the Braves the rest of the year and in the future. GF doesn't make excuses (he has KW and DR to do that for him) and I like that.
The facts are this group has underachieved, they still have time to turn things around, I hope they do, but this coaching staff has been here since March/April - the success or failure of this team is their responsibility, not that of the previous staff's.
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I thought AW was our best player last year? TB didn't play at all last year...SOme of these arguments don't hold much water, IMO.

Some don't like the change(duh), some don't like the President, and some just throw around what-ifs and I told you so's... This team is about what I expected... Growing pains and bad losses included... Highly touted is what I expect every coach to say about all his incoming recruits....
 
panther12thman said:
Hard to believe we aren't better this year.
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Really?

We lost our leading scorer. We lost our point guard. We lost one of our few experienced other players (WE). We also have a new coaching staff who didn't recruit 95% of the roster.

How is that hard to believe?

panther12thman said:
The truth is that this staff hasn't done a very good job with this team.
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Ok. Other than 4 posters on here, I don't know any fans that share that opinion. I think most realize that this is a process. I think they realize you don't rebuild ruins in 1 year.

panther12thman said:
it is tiring reading KW talk about how are talent level doesn't match other teams.
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So you think are talent is on par with the rest of the teams? Why didn't JL win with last year's more talented team? Or the year before? or the year before that?


panther12thman said:
KW and DR keep saying how the team plays hard, yes they do - but that has always been a trademark of BU teams.
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So what's wrong with saying it?


panther12thman said:
GF doesn't make excuses (he has KW and DR to do that for him)
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No he doesn't. Which is refreshing, isn't it.

panther12thman said:
The facts are this group has underachieved, they still have time to turn things around, I hope they do, but this coaching staff has been here since March/April - the success or failure of this team is their responsibility, not that of the previous staff's.
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I have never heard Geno say anything different. I personally, do not think we have underachieved. However, if you want to say we have....what the heck did we do the last 3 years??? There is no debating this team has less talent then any team the past 3-4 years.

This is Geno's team, no doubt. But to judge him without any of his own players is a bit strange, IMO. If we are sitting here in year 4 or 5 and we are at this record, ok. But, 4 months into season 1 is a bit much.

I personally also think it's pretty low to bash the President at a time like this. I certainly pray that she is doing well with her health.

If you are so outraged with the lack of effort of the team and coaches, give me your tickets. I know many people who would gladly take them!
 
Buesch N Chips said:
You make some valid points, but this is not one of them. JL never made excuses.
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I never mentioned Jim making excuses. I was referring to the arguments of posters over the past several years.

You are judged by what you do. GF is feeling that now. JL was fired because of that during his tenure.
 
BradleyJD said:
I never mentioned Jim making excuses. I was referring to the arguments of posters over the past several years.

You are judged by what you do. GF is feeling that now. JL was fired because of that during his tenure.
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If you aren't seeing excuses being made this season, you aren't looking very hard. They are everywhere. Most are valid. GF himself has a littany of them every postgame show. I don't have a problem with it, but you can't say they don't exist.

I agree with the philosophy of the second statement, but in no way is GF being judged by the performance of this team. If he was, he'd be getting a lot more heat.
 
Buesch N Chips said:
You make some valid points, but this is not one of them. JL never made excuses.
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This is completely untrue. One of Jims favorite sayings was "the guys arent buying in". That is the very definition of an excuse. Am I saying it wasnt true? No. But to say he never made an excuse when this was one of his go to lines is just false.

That being said, none of that matters anymore.
 
This was deleted, not sure why.

I will edit it down to reiterate my main point....


BradleyJD said:
I think many are stuck on comparing GF, in year one, with Jim after 9 years. People are usually more forgiving or realistic about a coach and team in year 1 then they are after watching it for 7.5 out of 9 years.

If a first year coach says, the players are having a hard time understanding what it takes to play the style or brand of basketball I want....that is one thing.

When a coach in year 9 says the players aren't buying in...that is different.

The guy in year 1 didn't recruit 95% of the players. He didn't recruit guys that are his style and type. He doesn't have any veterans who know the routine, drills, expectations, and every other minute detail that make a program and vision.

The guy in year 9 would have all his own players. Most of the recruits would have been signed because he exactly fits the style or goal or vision of the program. All the veteran players would be in line and step with every detail, drill, set, etc of the program.


We need to get past comparing Geno in year 1 with the expectations of Jim in year 9. It cannot be done.
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Buesch N Chips said:
If you aren't seeing excuses being made this season, you aren't looking very hard. They are everywhere. Most are valid. GF himself has a littany of them every postgame show. I don't have a problem with it, but you can't say they don't exist.

I agree with the philosophy of the second statement, but in no way is GF being judged by the performance of this team. If he was, he'd be getting a lot more heat.
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IMO, for the most part a big +1.
 
JD - I respectfully think you are way wrong...and I can't imagine what it is you are seeing here that would make you even think that -- are you sure you're not confusing this board with another?? (see below)

I don't see any of the harsh criticism and demands for firing that were plentiful with JL from his 1st, 2nd and 3rd or 4th season on 'til last spring..NOTHING comparable at all..
just fair and honest questions and concerns about how we are playing and how we're being coached..

There's no way in creation you can show me a single such comment or post or call for Geno to be canned or attacking hiom with claims that he doesn't know what he's doing......

In fact once before when I asked you to cite even ONE reference you thought was critical of Geno - you searched and picked the best example you could find...
and came up with a quote of Da Coach saying he didn't believe we played all that hard in the Wichita game...

OMG -- can you see how silly you look claiming that one comment about the players not playing hard was what you were equating to harsh attacks on JL's coaching abilities and demands for him to be canned?

BUT -- here's a quote I culled (copied and pasted as a direct quote) from the "other board" from one of the most frequent posters over there. who the fans there accept as some kind of expert....

"Shayok Shayok has absolutely no idea what he is doing out there..
.. Bradley has athleticism, just not a good shooting team, defensive team, passing team, or deep team.
It will be a couple years but I have some hope Geno Ford knows what he is doing."

Hmmm.. so I guess if you're looking for harsh criticism of the players and of Geno -- you're looking on the wrong board - these comments are from the folks on the PJS board.
 
BradleyJD said:
This was deleted, not sure why.

I will edit it down to reiterate my main point....
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I'm right with you.

My expectations with GF will be pretty low until his 3rd season for many of the reasons you mentioned. As long as he runs a clean program and the kids stay out of trouble, I can be patient for a couple years. It's far too early for me to get upset with GF.
 
tornado said:
JD - I respectfully think you are way wrong...

I don't see any of the harsh criticism and demands for firing that were plentiful with JL from his 3rd or 4th season on 'til last spring..NOTHING comparable at all..
just fair and honest questions and concerns about how we are playing and how we're being coached..

There's no way in creation you can show me a single such comment or post or call for Geno to be canned...
In fact once before when I asked you to cite even ONE reference you thought was critical of Geno - you searched and picked the best example you could find...
and came up with a quote of Da Coach saying he didn't believe we played all that hard in the Wichita game...

OMG -- can you see how silly you look claiming that one comment about the players not playing hard was what you were equating to harsh attacks on JL's coaching abilities and demands for him to be canned?
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I think the problem lies with the tone of many posts not just by you but by others here. You cannot deny that your posts and others are much more negative in tone than at any time in past seasons. I'm positive that you can see this and I would hope that you could understand why that would rub some people the wrong way. But hey, we dont have to read it, right?
 
BS - you totally contradict a few others who claim I was negative last year..
so can you get it straight??
Was I negative last year or this year, or what??

Truth is that I am one of the most positive, 100% fully supporting fans Bradleybasketball has and if you happen to think otherwise, that's fine but you obviously know nothing about which you speak.
Anyway -- I just cited how negative the tone is elsewhere and on the other board -- but somehow all you see is that my posts are "negative" -- you got an agenda or what??
 
tornado said:
BS - you totally contradict a few others who claim I was negative last year..
so can you get it straight??
Was I negative last year or this year, or what??
Anyway -- I just cited how negative the tone is elsewhere and on the other board -- but somehow all you see is that my posts are "negative" -- you got an agenda or what??
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Who says your posts last year were negative? And if some do, what does that have to do with me and the people I'm referencing? I dont think you were negative last year or any year under Coach Les. That was the entire basis of my post. What is it that I need to get straight? And you cited that "It will be a couple years but I have some hope Geno Ford knows what he is doing" is somehow a harsh criticism of Coach Ford.
 
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