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Bradley 83 Creighton 92 - Final
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Ok....so switch up the starting lineup.....try SOMETHING! Get the other kids in the games....you know, the players you're supposedly rebuilding the program with. What's to lose at this point.....another game?
I've no problem with that idea.
Depends who you ask I suppose.
Regardless...after a W tonight, we can focus on that
After a W by whom..... Illinois?? Once again, it sure was not the Braves.
They keep this up, my 1-9 prediction will be off by 1 win!
tornado
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you think we'd have been this bad?
per Kirk Wessler...
"Their record is 5-12, and they are 0-5 in the Missouri Valley for a reason.
They’re bad."
Yes, I think we would have been this bad, or very close to it. Maybe 1 or 2 games different.
Not even close. We would be at least .500 in league play. It would have been a different more balanced club. I'm not going to argue what the upside down the road would be but a JL SM led team would be a more complete team. SM would play the 1, the 2-3 position would be handled by WL, DSE, JE, Abel and the 4 by TB and SH with the 5 going to JP, SH and AT. Fundamentally you have a more balanced team with some moving parts. SM would have made DSE,TB and WL much better players and given us a 3 point threat. I really believe there is not much to argue.
Buesch N Chips
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Either way, we would not be having an acceptable season from a WL standpoint.
tornado
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I am not so sure - who really knows......
at Illinois Sammy began intensively training and practicing for team play way early in July to prepare for that Italian trip
where he played more minutes than anyone else did in a 6 game foreign tour that included two overtime games-
and the exhibition against Bob Huggins' West Virginia Mountaineers at the Italian Air Force Base...
followed immediately on the same court with no rest by a 2nd exhibition against the team of Aviano varsity unit players.
We don't know for sure...but had he stayed at Bradley things would be different ..and he'd have significantly less games and fewer workouts & practices..
at Illinois Sammy began intensively training and practicing for team play way early in July to prepare for that Italian trip
where he played more minutes than anyone else did in a 6 game foreign tour that included two overtime games-
and the exhibition against Bob Huggins' West Virginia Mountaineers at the Italian Air Force Base...
followed immediately on the same court with no rest by a 2nd exhibition against the team of Aviano varsity unit players.
We don't know for sure...but had he stayed at Bradley things would be different ..and he'd have significantly less games and fewer workouts & practices..
I agree he'd have less games/practices. However, he probably also would have had much more pressure on him and many more minutes/game.
We will never know.
TheAsianSensation
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I think there is much to argue, because it's predicated upon major minutes for SM at PG to mask our lack of depth at that position - I'm not sure he would've held up all season, whether or not he got the rest in the scenario t outlined. That said, I can buy the argument that Abell would've contributed (not starred, mind you, but contributed) and Lemon would be much, much better utilized at the 2. I still think we'd have inside problems, though, and I don't see that team being in the top half of the Valley (6th is my prediction) in front of MSU or InSU. I feel like 15-16 (8-10) would be the peak in that scenario.
edit: And this is my way of saying the non TB/SM players aren't impact players, so I have a tough time thinking we'd win consistency without a dependable 3rd wheel. If you wanted to argue otherwise, I'm fine with that and if you wanted to say 18-13 (10-8 ) as a peak, that's reasonable. But anything more and I feel like we're over-evaluating our current talent.
I have heard many times, JL was fired with the fear this years team would go 14-4 in the Valley and tough to fire a coach after a season like that. I will admit 14-4 would be perfect, because we would lose to WSU and CU twice. But I could see if JL stayed, 11-7 or 12-6 Valley season (and yes... probably 4th or 5th in the Valley).
I know..... So mediocre and unacceptable in the Valley if 4th or 5th! ... I've heard that a few time also.
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Don't you dare Az. I finally had a good week and beat the Penny. :biggrin: 5 for 5 :mrgreen: Now you want to add to the fallout.
hahaha. The ol' fire a coach before he can go 14-4 routine. 11-5 without a healthy Sammy?
Careful with that "hahaha." If you knew some friends on the inside you would not be laughing, but understand how close it is to the truth. But for you.... keep the ha's going. It will make you feel better!
TheAsianSensation
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If JL went 14-4 we'd be ecstatic! We'd WANT to keep him after that! He'd finally reach the type of peak we wanted him to.
It's not that finishing 4th or 5th in any given year is a bad thing. In a vacuum, 4th or 5th in the Valley this year would be a reasonably good year. The problem is that we did it every year for several years with no indication that there was a higher peak than that. 4th place in itself is not a problem - 4th place representing a peak IS.
Trust me I know about the "evil administration". I think I was laughing more at the 14-4 though.
With a lineup of POB, Cellus, Ruffin, Franklin, Boogie, Andrews, Crouch, JJ, and company the best we could do was 11-7. That was also the last year in recent memory that the Valley was as strong as it is this year. So you can honestly say with a straight face that with the roster makeup of SM, TB, SH, RA, etc. would have outperformed that group from 06?!?!?! Im not even talking about "no higher than 4th" here, you come out and say we could have won 14 games in the league that we have lost 15 straight games in the month of January dating back over 2 years.
Whatever you are smoking I want some of it :lol: