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BU Announces Academic Success

Ok, great. I hope Glasser and Cross both saw this and quit yapping about academics and start talking seriously about conference titles.
 
Schools with a high degree of academic success impress me more then schools with NCAA sports achievements. When you can do both, now that is where the goal should be. There are a few schools out there that have had both like Stanford, UC Berkeley and Duke. I'm all for developing national scholars over professional athletes but I believe we can strive to do both.
 
SFP said:
Schools with a high degree of academic success impress me more then schools with NCAA sports achievements. When you can do both, now that is where the goal should be. There are a few schools out there that have had both like Stanford, UC Berkeley and Duke. I'm all for developing national scholars over professional athletes but I believe we can strive to do both.
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Well why don't we just rename this the Bradley business and engineering board? Face it - None of us would be on here chirping if it wasn't for some degree of success the athletic department (primarily the men's basketball program) has had. We have always done great as far as academics go, and we have also won on a much more consistent basis than we are now. Why not make winning consistently, something we've done in the past, the goal instead of something that we're already doing?
 
SFP said:
Schools with a high degree of academic success impress me more then schools with NCAA sports achievements. When you can do both, now that is where the goal should be. There are a few schools out there that have had both like Stanford, UC Berkeley and Duke. I'm all for developing national scholars over professional athletes but I believe we can strive to do both.
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I could care less about 'developing national scholars'...if that is our #1 priority, then BU might as well become a D-III athletic program...
It's great if the athletes have some success in the classroom to help them in their future...but I want wins, Valley titles, NCAA appearances, etc. from my basketball team, first and foremost...
Give me the kid with the killer crossover over the kid with the killer ACT score every day of the week...
 
ER3 You should have gone to a big sponsored state school for that. I hope that BU is always 1st about scholastic endeavor. I also want wins but I believe they do not need to be exclusive. I pointed out a few schools that seem to have the recipe. I guarantee you that BU's ability to rank in as a top regional school in the mid-west does more for the quality of life for the mass majority of graduates then if BU goes to the NCAA a few times a decade. Let's take two extreme cases. I'd take a degree from University of Chicago over a degree from U of KY. If I was going to be a professional basketball player then that would be different story. The real world business owner does not give a rat's @ss about NCAA feel goods you have had. That is how I feel and academic achievements is one way I measure BU overall. Basketball is only a very small part. If our Prez can bring BU to another level in the academic world, well then she is doing her job. Again Nobel prize winner from BU or NCAA championship. I know what I'd prefer.
 
SFP said:
ER3 You should have gone to a big sponsored state school for that. I hope that BU is always 1st about scholastic endeavor. I also want wins but I believe they do not need to be exclusive. I pointed out a few schools that seem to have the recipe. I guarantee you that BU's ability to rank in as a top regional school in the mid-west does more for the quality of life for the mass majority of graduates then if BU goes to the NCAA a few times a decade. Let's take two extreme cases. I'd take a degree from University of Chicago over a degree from U of KY. If I was going to be a professional basketball player then that would be different story. The real world business owner does not give a rat's @ss about NCAA feel goods you have had. That is how I feel and academic achievements is one way I measure BU overall. Basketball is only a very small part. If our Prez can bring BU to another level in the academic world, well then she is doing her job. Again Nobel prize winner from BU or NCAA championship. I know what I'd prefer.
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Yada Yada Yada...I am sure you were thinking about SAT's and GPA's when BU was playing in the NCAA tournament in 06.

No one is saying they are against BU as an institution achieving great success in the classroom. Great that the kids are getting an education.

What we are saying is to not let academic success be an excuse for all the BU athletic programs not being successful.

I didin't see anyone in the BU crowd at Carver waving signs and chanting "GPA!", "GPA!", "GPA!" when they lost to SIU at home earlier this year, or when BU is bounced out of MVC Tournaments in their opening games.

Let me ask you what the GPA's and graduation rates were for BU MBB team in the 80's and 90's when they were very successful? No one remembers. But they do remember, with pride I might add, how good the BU teams were then.
 
People, especially you non-academic ones, every thread regardless of subject line does not need to be turned into a rant on winning basketball games.

How about just letting this thread be what it is ... an acknowledgement of the athletes' academic success. Use one of the other numerous threads on the basketball team to vent your W/L frustration.
 
Dallas Brave said:
People, especially you non-academic ones, every thread regardless of subject line does not need to be turned into a rant on winning basketball games.

How about just letting this thread be what it is ... an acknowledgement of the athletes' academic success. Use one of the other numerous threads on the basketball team to vent your W/L frustration.
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Maybe if BU won like they have over the past 50 years people like me wouldn't have to hijack other threads complaining about it.
 
Dallas Brave said:
People, especially you non-academic ones, every thread regardless of subject line does not need to be turned into a rant on winning basketball games.

How about just letting this thread be what it is ... an acknowledgement of the athletes' academic success. Use one of the other numerous threads on the basketball team to vent your W/L frustration.
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Does my Iowa State BSIE degree, and MBA, qualify me as an "academic one"?

When "academic ones" stop using acknowledgement of athletes' academic success as a platform to then also comment this matters more, or is better than athletic achievement, I will shut up.

Report their academic achievement if you want, but don't then get on your soapbox and declare this is better than athletic success and everyone on a sports forum stop their desire for athletic success at BU
 
AZ BU Fan said:
Report their academic achievement if you want, but don't then get on your soapbox and declare this is better than athletic success and everyone on a sports forum stop their desire for athletic success at BU
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What on earth are you rambling about???? Start using your education.
 
Dallas Brave said:
People, especially you non-academic ones, every thread regardless of subject line does not need to be turned into a rant on winning basketball games.

How about just letting this thread be what it is ... an acknowledgement of the athletes' academic success. Use one of the other numerous threads on the basketball team to vent your W/L frustration.
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Who the hell are you trying to label as being a 'non-academic one' within this particular conversation? Typical laughable, self-important Bradley graduate...too funny.
 
I gotta agree with Dallas here. Let's face it, 99.9% of BU players are playing pro-sports. I love the BU is focused on their academic success. If all you care about is an organization that's focused on winning basketball games, go watch the NBA. College is about way more than sports, and I hope these players don't lose sight of that. People can throw around degrees, call each other academic or not; but I'll tell you what, in 2 years, the fact Sam has kept a good GPA, will mean way more than whether or not he beat SIU at home this year.
 
SFP said:
ER3 You should have gone to a big sponsored state school for that. I hope that BU is always 1st about scholastic endeavor. I also want wins but I believe they do not need to be exclusive. I pointed out a few schools that seem to have the recipe. I guarantee you that BU's ability to rank in as a top regional school in the mid-west does more for the quality of life for the mass majority of graduates then if BU goes to the NCAA a few times a decade. Let's take two extreme cases. I'd take a degree from University of Chicago over a degree from U of KY. If I was going to be a professional basketball player then that would be different story. The real world business owner does not give a rat's @ss about NCAA feel goods you have had. That is how I feel and academic achievements is one way I measure BU overall. Basketball is only a very small part. If our Prez can bring BU to another level in the academic world, well then she is doing her job. Again Nobel prize winner from BU or NCAA championship. I know what I'd prefer.
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BU can have academic success...and the basketball program can have success on the basketball court. These aren't mutually exclusive of each other. We are not recruiting basketball players to play at this University based on their ability to "win a Nobel prize"...nor should we be. The basketball players should be expected to work hard and have success in the classroom...but if the Prez "wants to raise the level of BU within the academic world", she largely needs to be looking for her shining stars and future Nobel Prize winners elsewhere in the student population...The scholarship basketball players brought into this University need to win games to bring in money and raise the level of national awareness for this institution, first and foremost...and along the way, they need to insure that they keep their noses clean and do as well as possible in the classroom...That's where the priorities need lie for these scholarship athletes within the men's basketball program at BU...
I hope, for themselves, they place a huge value on their education...and, yes, we should be proud of the successes they have in the classroom...but recruiting basketball players based on their academic prowess should never, ever be the #1 priority for an NCAA D-I institution.
 
ER3 said:
...recruiting basketball players based on their academic prowess should never, ever be the #1 priority for an NCAA D-I institution.
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I completely and totally disagree. Basketball is an extra-curricular at the end of the day. Not really that much different, than myself getting journalism scholarships. Yes, I was recruited for my ability to write articles in part, but they wanted a full academic background, they wanted to know what I did in highschool, and they wanted my SAT's and ACT's. They looked at what classes I took. A college's first and foremost priority should be to recruit students who will reflect positively on the university and be an asset as an alum and through their actions speak to the quality of the university. If Will goes to apply for a job a Deloitte, they could care less if he's got a hook and averaged 6 rpg. U of I med school doesn't look at assists per game for Eddren McCain. The job of the university is to choose people which it can help excel and that reflect well upon the university. Basketball is a part of that equation for the players, but by no means the whole of the it.
 
ER3 said:
I could care less about 'developing national scholars'...if that is our #1 priority, then BU might as well become a D-III athletic program...
It's great if the athletes have some success in the classroom to help them in their future...but I want wins, Valley titles, NCAA appearances, etc. from my basketball team, first and foremost...
Give me the kid with the killer crossover over the kid with the killer ACT score every day of the week...
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Amen, brother! Let's kick some ass!
 
ER3 said:
I could care less about 'developing national scholars'...if that is our #1 priority, then BU might as well become a D-III athletic program...
It's great if the athletes have some success in the classroom to help them in their future...but I want wins, Valley titles, NCAA appearances, etc. from my basketball team, first and foremost...
Give me the kid with the killer crossover over the kid with the killer ACT score every day of the week...
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Just follow Calipari, he'll give you exactly what you're asking for.
 
amckillip said:
I completely and totally disagree. Basketball is an extra-curricular at the end of the day. Not really that much different, than myself getting journalism scholarships. Yes, I was recruited for my ability to write articles in part, but they wanted a full academic background, they wanted to know what I did in highschool, and they wanted my SAT's and ACT's. They looked at what classes I took. A college's first and foremost priority should be to recruit students who will reflect positively on the university and be an asset as an alum and through their actions speak to the quality of the university. If Will goes to apply for a job a Deloitte, they could care less if he's got a hook and averaged 6 rpg. U of I med school doesn't look at assists per game for Eddren McCain. The job of the university is to choose people which it can help excel and that reflect well upon the university. Basketball is a part of that equation for the players, but by no means the whole of the it.
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Basketball is not just "another extra-curricular activity" at a University when is the primary and only real revenue-generating program that BU has...that fact makes it much, much different than you getting your journalism scholarships to BU...
Bradley basketball is a big money maker for the university...without it, significant revenue streams dry up. That's why they travel to AAU tournaments and try to recruit the best basketball players in the country instead of sending Alvin Brooks to the National Spelling Bees and Scholastic Bowls to find their recruits. The scholarship basketball players we bring in have to at least meet BU's academic minimums to get into the school, they have to do their work while they are here to remain eligible, but don't kid yourself....they are recruited, first and foremost, based on their basketball talents and their ability to help this team win basketball games and insure the future earning potential of this basketball program.
We tried to get DeAaron Williams into this school to play basketball...why was that? Because of his sterling academic "accomplishments" at Wisconsin and ICC? No, of course not...we hoped he could get himself up to the academic minimum requirements of Bradley University so he could come here and give us a better chance to win basketball games...not because the University thought he could 'excel' in the classroom.
 
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