All great posts. I agree that this isn't just a JL problem, but I don't think he has done enough to fix it. As many on here know, I believe it's a lot harder to get talented big men to the MVC than people think. I really don't think the problem is in who JL has recruited and landed, but rather the philosophy on the floor regarding rebounding.
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What's up with Mo?
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All great posts. I agree that this isn't just a JL problem, but I don't think he has done enough to fix it. As many on here know, I believe it's a lot harder to get talented big men to the MVC than people think. I really don't think the problem is in who JL has recruited and landed, but rather the philosophy on the floor regarding rebounding.
I am sure you will recall that Willie Scott was not highly recruited, in fact he transferred to BU from an unknown small college (Hillsdale). Hersey Hawkins had only 1 other D1 scholarship offer (from Eastern Washington). David Thirdkill, Donald Reese, and Jim Les were all virtually unheard-of, and had little or no D1 interest out of high school. Even Anthony Parker did not have any bigger schools offering him. So please don't suggest that Bradley was always landing highly-ranked recruits in the past. That has never been the case. Bradley has always had to look for the kids with potential, or who were under-the-radar. I think we have some of those kinds of players now.
tornado
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from 2004 thru 2008 season, Creighton was also outrebounded by substantial numbers...(they were outrebounded by 100 or more two of those seasons)..
yet in that same span, they won more games than anyone else in the Valley...
I guess if you just look at one stat, you can find an aberration....so did Dana do a terrible job over that span and recruit all the wrong players??
yet in that same span, they won more games than anyone else in the Valley...
I guess if you just look at one stat, you can find an aberration....so did Dana do a terrible job over that span and recruit all the wrong players??
Braves4Life
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I think when all is said and done Bradleyfans will be VERY happy with the recruits landed over the last few years. I think there will be more than one "impact player" from last year, this year, and next year's classes.
houstontxbrave
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You typed here the other day about how poor a shooter Eldrige was at ISU continuing to hammer his poor shot selection, poor %'s yet you find it acceptable to say it is wrong to only look at one stat... interesting.
Regardless, whatever Creighton did or didnt do is not my concern, my concern is Bradley and our continued neglect in rebounding the basketball and how that neglect has allowed teams to have mulitpule offensive possessions. The object of this sport is to out score your opponent and when you have more possessions you will tend to have more opportunities to score and win games.
We have lost games simply because we have been out rebounded and occasionally that number has been incredibly high.
You would have to be overdosing on Red Kool Aide if you could not see that our lack of rebounding and the lack of interior defense/offense has been a direct reflection of the lack of success Bradley has had on the basketball floor since 2006.
Hey just joined because I've always loved Bradley basketball and I've been on the forum a few times but never bothered to create an account, plus this whole topic makes me want to throw in my two cents however cheap it may be lol
. I think there needs to be more credit given to Walter Lemon. True we desperately need a big man to grab those boards, but if AD doesn't come through there's always another recruiting season plus he'll probably develop eventually like most college big men do. But I think we need to look forward to what WL can bring to the table, I've been around the Chicago area and I heard this kid can really play, not to mention he has a great name to set up some chants :lol: P.S. Is the deal with MO as dead as it seems?
P.S.P.S- Has anyone actually seen AD play or anything? To be quite honest I've never heard of the kid until now.
. I think there needs to be more credit given to Walter Lemon. True we desperately need a big man to grab those boards, but if AD doesn't come through there's always another recruiting season plus he'll probably develop eventually like most college big men do. But I think we need to look forward to what WL can bring to the table, I've been around the Chicago area and I heard this kid can really play, not to mention he has a great name to set up some chants :lol: P.S. Is the deal with MO as dead as it seems?P.S.P.S- Has anyone actually seen AD play or anything? To be quite honest I've never heard of the kid until now.
MacabreMob
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Welcome to the board Scotty D.
Just my 2 cents... I haven't seen AD, but I'm putting more hope in AT contributing more than AD.
Out of Balance
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The hell with a inside game, I love playing small and watching bombs fly:roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
tornado
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I think you read something that was not there...
no place did I say it was "wrong" as you have alleged - to look at one stat...
but if you do you may see an aberration...
In the case of Eldridge...I did not look at one stat...go back and see (and try to be fair and admit it) that I checked numerous stats over the entirety of Eldridge's career...
his scoring numbers, shooting percentage, 3-pt percentage, etc...and even stats you won't find anywhere else like his shooting percentage in the final minutes of games, etc...
I honestly did give a wealth of data on him before drawing any conclusion, but you are entitled to believe the opposite..and I never said anyone's way of interpreting the data is wrong...
houstontxbrave
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Aberration is what you wrote. Truth is our lack of rebounding has been a direct reflection on the win/lose record at Bradley. I am certain an aberriation can be found in the being out rebounded by 388 boards in 4 years. Where I have no idea but Im sure if someone wants to spin numbers it could be found.
As far as OE. You wrote so much about his game as it pertained to his shooting and you refused to look at the entire game from baseline to baseline that I give up. He was a good solid basketball player at ISU and if he wore a BU uniform your numbers would trend towards him being one of the all time best at BU.
FWIW-
Here are last year's conference stats-
http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/CONFONLY.HTM
Bradley has 3 of the top 12 returning rebounders from last year.
Only BU and MSU have more than 1 of the top returning rebounders.
I am not worried about rebounding next year.
Here are last year's conference stats-
http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/CONFONLY.HTM
Bradley has 3 of the top 12 returning rebounders from last year.
Only BU and MSU have more than 1 of the top returning rebounders.
I am not worried about rebounding next year.
LittleBrave
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No overdosing here!
Though some of last season's losses could be attributed to a lack of focus and intensity at times, but I think that will change next season.
tornado
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another thing you must have missed is that in many of my recent posts about OE, this is exactly what I have said...
...although I back it up with a lot of numbers (not one single stat) that I cite rather than just base it on a subjective feeling..
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=184476#post184476
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15803&page=2
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=166295#post166295
and all I ever said that you seem to be going after me for is that over a 4-5 year stretch Creighton was likewise outrebounded and I never heard anyone say Dana recruited all the wrong players...
That's just factual...take it or leave it.......
If you still believe it is wrong to look at one stat (your word was "wrong" not mine)...then take it up with the poster who was the first to check just one single stat and make an issue of it in this thread...
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=184985&postcount=16
What's up with MO?
What's up with MO?
Coach--- I'm not "wailing" or "gnashing my teeth" and I sure don't believe "
the sky is falling" so I hope you can stop ridiculing honest viewpoints that don't necessarily agree with you.
Again, here is the truth regarding our situation, as I see it.
1) Our recruits are good players but not great players. In the past, we have recruited great players, some that were nationally recognized and some that were under the radar and were recruited based on shrewd and very accurate evaluations of their talent by our coaches. POB was a high draft choice based on two NCAA games but he was inconsistant while at BU and hasn't done much at all in the NBA. I hope I am wrong and our current recruits and players turn out to be great!
2) Our conference record has very clearly been mediocre for the past several years When does this cease? This is a fair question and should not be ridiculed by you or anyone else.
3) A number of our recruits in recent years were major disappointments and didn't work out. Of course, this happens to most programs but we seem to have more than most.
Again, I hope that I am wrong and we have a great year with outstanding players---Time will tell but if things continue as they have, we are going to have to have the guts to take off those rose colored glasses.
What's up with MO?
Coach--- I'm not "wailing" or "gnashing my teeth" and I sure don't believe "
the sky is falling" so I hope you can stop ridiculing honest viewpoints that don't necessarily agree with you.
Again, here is the truth regarding our situation, as I see it.
1) Our recruits are good players but not great players. In the past, we have recruited great players, some that were nationally recognized and some that were under the radar and were recruited based on shrewd and very accurate evaluations of their talent by our coaches. POB was a high draft choice based on two NCAA games but he was inconsistant while at BU and hasn't done much at all in the NBA. I hope I am wrong and our current recruits and players turn out to be great!
2) Our conference record has very clearly been mediocre for the past several years When does this cease? This is a fair question and should not be ridiculed by you or anyone else.
3) A number of our recruits in recent years were major disappointments and didn't work out. Of course, this happens to most programs but we seem to have more than most.
Again, I hope that I am wrong and we have a great year with outstanding players---Time will tell but if things continue as they have, we are going to have to have the guts to take off those rose colored glasses.
BradleyBrave
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Stop being fair and objective wizard.
Can you provide examples of programs who have regularly done better than BU in getting players into the NBA as high draft picks (which IMO has absolutely ZERO bearing on NCAA success, but you seem to think it's important), and programs that have a higher rate of success with recruits?
I am thoroughly expecting an 'Other programs don't matter' post somewhere in here (not from you wizard), but we are clearly comparing programs already so please spare me this argument.
How is he being any more fair or objective than anyone else. He said we're not producing high NBA picks when in fact, BU has produced the only lottery pick in the MVC (That I recall) since, well, BU produced the last lottery pick two decades ago.
Say you agree with him, not insinuate that he's more fair or objective than anyone else.
Well my curiosity was piqued and I went to look for some tapes of him on YouTube and managed to only find one tape of him. Don't know if everyone's seen it or if it's of any interest to anyone but I thought I would just share it with you all. Look's like he has decent shot-blocking and rebounding abilities in the film but it's only two games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba8sUhjyr_o
I just watched the tape. As with most tapes of this nature, only the highlights are going to be shown. The only thing that I can take away from this is that he may be able to run the court fairly well for a big guy. IMO anything further can not be evaluated because of the size difference between AD and his opponents.
I think our overall recruiting has been good, we just need a true center in order to get us to that next level of winning championships, we lost a lot of games that we could have won if we had a post player that could defend and rebound, not being critical of Will Egolf but he is not a college center, I think A.Davis appears to be a good recruit but probably at least 1 year away from being good enough and strong enough to go up against the good centers in the Valley, M.O. appears to have the mature body that we need to contribute next season as there is a big difference between 6-10 210 lbs. and 18 years old compared to 6-8 255 and 21 years old.