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We all need to remember that the search firm is only as good as the information and guidelines that they are given by the University.
SaintLouBrave22
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They seem to have done a good job w/ the recent hires they have coordinated...
Just look at what Fox has done @ Georgia...
I am not worried yet.
BradleyBrave
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I do some consulting work. I respectfully disagree.
As have I, disagree all you want. It is still very true.
BradleyBrave
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No it isn't. Very far from the truth actually.
tornado
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I don't know the workings of the BU search at this time..nobody does......but yes -- I am aware of times a consulting firm or committee is hired or employed just to "CYA"...so to speak -- just so if the choice totally flops, then the blame can be deflected........
I have personally sat on committees that spent endless time dealing with consulting firms only to make the selection that we all know was the CEO's choice right from the start ............exposing that the whole committee and consulting thing was a sham to make others feel like the process was an agreement of sorts between experts when it was not that at all......even though some on the committee knew they were benig used as puppets right from the start
I can still recall how totally blind and clueless some of the people on those committees were, actually thinking their input was relevant or valuable!!
But they didn't know until after the fact that all their time, effort, and expertise was completely wasted since the CEO never cared from the start what they thought....
I have personally sat on committees that spent endless time dealing with consulting firms only to make the selection that we all know was the CEO's choice right from the start ............exposing that the whole committee and consulting thing was a sham to make others feel like the process was an agreement of sorts between experts when it was not that at all......even though some on the committee knew they were benig used as puppets right from the start
I can still recall how totally blind and clueless some of the people on those committees were, actually thinking their input was relevant or valuable!!
But they didn't know until after the fact that all their time, effort, and expertise was completely wasted since the CEO never cared from the start what they thought....
Buesch N Chips
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tornado
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WHOEVER WE HIRE IN THE END -- it has to be someone where it's said...
"boy, they really hit it out of the park..."
or
"how did Bradley ever nab him??"
or
"they really couldn't have done any better..."
I really don't want get an obscure guy whose only quality is that somehow we found the guy first......or that he's from the Bobby Knight coaching tree....
instead we've seen people excited when the name of a sub-.500 coach from IUP-Fort Wayne was mentioned...
or does anyone recall a year ago when rumor-mongerers mistakenly claimed JL was fired then started discussing who they wanted BU to hire..for HC & assistants..
and believe it or not...there were people who named NIU's Todd Peterson (who has never been a head coach anywhere for any team), and an obscure assistant from Niagara, and then some assistant from Binghamton was named....
I say let's not go for the Todd Petersons or the completely obscure guys from east coast schools...
Let's not build on several consecutive really bad mistakes by compounding them with yet another one just so we can feel good finding some guy that nobody else thought of before.......
"boy, they really hit it out of the park..."
or
"how did Bradley ever nab him??"
or
"they really couldn't have done any better..."
I really don't want get an obscure guy whose only quality is that somehow we found the guy first......or that he's from the Bobby Knight coaching tree....
instead we've seen people excited when the name of a sub-.500 coach from IUP-Fort Wayne was mentioned...
or does anyone recall a year ago when rumor-mongerers mistakenly claimed JL was fired then started discussing who they wanted BU to hire..for HC & assistants..
and believe it or not...there were people who named NIU's Todd Peterson (who has never been a head coach anywhere for any team), and an obscure assistant from Niagara, and then some assistant from Binghamton was named....
I say let's not go for the Todd Petersons or the completely obscure guys from east coast schools...
Let's not build on several consecutive really bad mistakes by compounding them with yet another one just so we can feel good finding some guy that nobody else thought of before.......
Buesch N Chips
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Kind of like Rolling Stone Magazine's albums of the year. Ten CDs that no one has ever heard of, just to show how hip they are.
tornado
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Here's another thought and prediction....and I kinda know I will be right since it's already happening...
The "fire Jim Les" crowd got their way.....so now let's see what kind of reaction comes from that camp when they see the fallout...players leaving, nobody good coming in for a few years, fans & backers/donors leaving, etc...
Will they man-up and accept the fallout they caused with the firing of JL??
Or will they cower and whine and say this is unfair because the pro-JL people are hurting the program?
I predict that those among the "fire Jim Les" crowd will BLAME the pro Jim Les people for all the fallout...
we are already seeing it....at least five or six different people who were tickled pink when JL was fired have already fired shots at those players who may leave or those fans who have said they may not send as much support as they did under Coach Les.
I have an amazingly ironic conversation with a 30-year season ticket holder...
he's the same guy that I noted a couple weeks ago was so intensely in favor of firing JL that he didn't even want BU to win a game in St. Louis because it might cause JL to get retained...
NOW -- he's singing a totally different tune..now he's really bummed, very shocked we might be losing some of our top players, and totally lacking confidence in the people who are making the selection and convinced we're going to end up worse than we were....
The "fire Jim Les" crowd got their way.....so now let's see what kind of reaction comes from that camp when they see the fallout...players leaving, nobody good coming in for a few years, fans & backers/donors leaving, etc...
Will they man-up and accept the fallout they caused with the firing of JL??
Or will they cower and whine and say this is unfair because the pro-JL people are hurting the program?
I predict that those among the "fire Jim Les" crowd will BLAME the pro Jim Les people for all the fallout...
we are already seeing it....at least five or six different people who were tickled pink when JL was fired have already fired shots at those players who may leave or those fans who have said they may not send as much support as they did under Coach Les.
I have an amazingly ironic conversation with a 30-year season ticket holder...
he's the same guy that I noted a couple weeks ago was so intensely in favor of firing JL that he didn't even want BU to win a game in St. Louis because it might cause JL to get retained...
NOW -- he's singing a totally different tune..now he's really bummed, very shocked we might be losing some of our top players, and totally lacking confidence in the people who are making the selection and convinced we're going to end up worse than we were....
With all due respect, these are ridiculous and over the top illogical inferences. It is almost like some folks here are related to Les or getting paid by him...it verges on the bizarre. Give it up, Jim Les was not a good coach by most acceptable criteria...not horrible, but definitely not good, and not up to BU's winning tradition. Granted the tradition is getting stale, but given we had 9 years of one not so great Jim following a so-so Jim...well there you have it. If they hire a poor or another mediocre coach, why on earth would anyone blame the pro-Les folks? I would blame Cross and Glasser, whom are ultimately responsible. And, I will say not one rumored name out there really looks that good so far. Ammaker maybe, Pat Knight maybe, but that is mostly due to name recognition and a potential they never delivered on. Based on the names floated so far, the administration may not do worse than Les, but they so far are looking to do not much better.
Buesch N Chips
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Some people knew him well and I have no problem with those people being upset.
Winning when Hersey was here is not a tradition. It's an exception.
We won more times than when Hersey was here...Molinari's mid 90s teams, JJ Anderson's teams, Stowell's and Osborne's teams in the 60's, Osborne and Anderson's teams in the 50s, and Robertson in the 30s and 40s. Perhaps, either you are not from Peoria or too young. I just hope that some folks here are not just satisfied with middle of the pack finishes and teams that hover just over. 500. Too bad it seems like this type of discussion is like either a broken record or talking to walls. In any case I think we can all agree the administration better get this hiring right.
BU fans are the ONLY ones who are disillusioned into believe they have some grand winning tradition. In the last half century we have had 3 NCAA wins, 3!!! And two of those were from JL! Yes sometimes we challanged in the conference, but never have we been a year-in-year-out contender. Our best regular season year in that timeframe was tainted by cheating. BU is a good job due to resources and fan base, but winning tradition is more of a hope by fans, than fact.
Or fans weighing more on tradition, which doesnt mean much in today's "what have you done for me recently" type of society. Yes they won in the 50s and 60s, they were some of the best teams in the country. Things change, get over it.... History is important, yes, because It shows where you have been, but it is not the most important thing in the world. Also, those 50s teams were tainted by cheating too, so take that for what its worth.
This team won a lot of conference basketball games in the 80's and the 90's as well guys.
Im 36 years old, not 60.
And I bet we can get back to that level.
Buesch N Chips
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We correctly have done better with a great guard....
I would put the following at good enough to lead us.
Hawk
Manuel
Parker
Dye
Gilbert
Warren
Interestingly the sweet 16 came arguably without that level, although
ruff and will and tb probably surpassed any 1 at that time.
hey -- I'm not 60 either -- but I perceive this as a little jab at me !!
Ha no way man. I was really thinking about the people that complain we havent been to a final four recently.
One thing you gotta say about me is that I will jab you directly and by name tornado...
My point was that I am not one of the people that lived through the 50's, and I still don't buy that we are not a "winning" program.
It infuriates me...we have weaknesses as a program. But winning games hasn't been one of the,